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my first personnal tesla coil

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paulj
Sun Nov 19 2017, 11:35AM
paulj Registered Member #59353 Joined: Sun Apr 17 2016, 02:08PM
Location: France
Posts: 84
Hello,

for fun, I took my old features on JAVA TC and I changed the specifications of my primary capacitor and coil.

As I don't know the reverse voltage that can support, I put them in parallel to distribute the current so this is 0.14uf

old spec:

J A V A T C version 13.2 - CONSOLIDATED OUTPUT
19/11/2017 à 12:13:08

Units = Centimeters
Ambient Temp = 68ºF

------------------------------------------- ---------
Surrounding Inputs:
------------------------------------------ ----------
2500 = Ground Plane Radius
2500 = Wall Radius
3800 = Ceiling Height

------------------------------------------ ----------
Secondary Coil Inputs:
------------------------------------------ ----------
Current Profile = G.PROFILE_LINEAR
10 = Radius 1
10 = Radius 2
165 = Height 1
90 = Height 2
1088 = Turns
22 = Wire Awg

--------------------------------------------- -------
Primary Coil Inputs:
------------------------------------------ ----------
Round Primary Conductor
12.7 = Radius 1
29.7 = Radius 2
90 = Height 1
90 = Height 2
11 = Turns
0.06 = Wire Diameter
0 = Ribbon Width
0 = Ribbon Thickness
0.14 = Primary Cap (uF) before 0.06 uf
0 = Total Lead Length
0 = Lead Diameter

---------------------------------------- ------------
Top Load Inputs:
------------------------------------------ ----------
Toroid #1: minor=20, major=80, height=180, topload

----------------------------------------- -----------
Secondary Outputs:
----------------------------------------- -----------
84.41 kHz = Secondary Resonant Frequency
90 deg ° = Angle of Secondary
75 cm = Length of Winding
14.51 cm = Turns Per Unit
0.04554 mm = Space Between Turns (edge to edge)
683.61 m = Length of Wire
3.75:1 = H/D Aspect Ratio
35.9105 Ohms = DC Resistance
34579 Ohms = Reactance at Resonance
1.978 kg = Weight of Wire
65.199 mH = Les-Effective Series Inductance
61.812 mH = Lee-Equivalent Energy Inductance
56.027 mH = Ldc-Low Frequency Inductance
54.527 pF = Ces-Effective Shunt Capacitance
57.515 pF = Cee-Equivalent Energy Capacitance
61.294 pF = Cdc-Low Frequency Capacitance
0.25 mm = Skin Depth
33.23 pF = Topload Effective Capacitance
99.9152 Ohms = Effective AC Resistance
346 = Q

----------------------------------------------- -----
Primary Outputs:
----------------------------------------- -----------
55.28 kHz = Primary Resonant Frequency
34.5 % high = Percent Detuned
0 deg ° = Angle of Primary
1465.24 cm = Length of Wire
893.42 mOhms = DC Resistance
1.485 cm = Average spacing between turns (edge to edge)
2.638 cm = Proximity between coils
2.16 cm = Recommended minimum proximity between coils
59.201 µH = Ldc-Low Frequency Inductance
0.06005 µF = Cap size needed with Primary L (reference)
0 µH = Lead Length Inductance
302.786 µH = Lm-Mutual Inductance
0.166 k = Coupling Coefficient
0.141 k = Recommended Coupling Coefficient
6.02 = Number of half cycles for energy transfer at K
53.54 µs = Time for total energy transfer (ideal quench time)

------------------------------------------- ---------


New spec


I launched auto-tune, and as expected, it will use fewer turns.

after it's very approximate, many things can change, I wait for my oscilloscope before measuring

J A V A T C version 13.2 - CONSOLIDATED OUTPUT
19/11/2017 à 12:25:29

Units = Centimeters
Ambient Temp = 68ºF

------------------------------------------- ---------
Surrounding Inputs:
------------------------------------------ ----------
2500 = Ground Plane Radius
2500 = Wall Radius
3800 = Ceiling Height

------------------------------------------ ----------
Secondary Coil Inputs:
------------------------------------------ ----------
Current Profile = G.PROFILE_LINEAR
10 = Radius 1
10 = Radius 2
165 = Height 1
90 = Height 2
1088 = Turns
22 = Wire Awg

--------------------------------------------- -------
Primary Coil Inputs:
------------------------------------------ ----------
Round Primary Conductor
12.7 = Radius 1
23.935 = Radius 2
90 = Height 1
90 = Height 2
7.2695 = Turns
0.06 = Wire Diameter
0 = Ribbon Width
0 = Ribbon Thickness
0.14 = Primary Cap (uF)
0 = Total Lead Length
0 = Lead Diameter

---------------------------------------- ------------
Top Load Inputs:
------------------------------------------ ----------
Toroid #1: minor=20, major=80, height=180, topload

----------------------------------------- -----------
Secondary Outputs:
----------------------------------------- -----------
84.41 kHz = Secondary Resonant Frequency
90 deg ° = Angle of Secondary
75 cm = Length of Winding
14.51 cm = Turns Per Unit
0.04554 mm = Space Between Turns (edge to edge)
683.61 m = Length of Wire
3.75:1 = H/D Aspect Ratio
35.9105 Ohms = DC Resistance
34579 Ohms = Reactance at Resonance
1.978 kg = Weight of Wire
65.199 mH = Les-Effective Series Inductance
61.812 mH = Lee-Equivalent Energy Inductance
56.027 mH = Ldc-Low Frequency Inductance
54.527 pF = Ces-Effective Shunt Capacitance
57.515 pF = Cee-Equivalent Energy Capacitance
61.294 pF = Cdc-Low Frequency Capacitance
0.25 mm = Skin Depth
33.23 pF = Topload Effective Capacitance
99.9152 Ohms = Effective AC Resistance
346 = Q




PS: I adjust the height of the machine, because I noticed that the secondary coil and the torus were too far


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IamSmooth
Sun Nov 19 2017, 06:10PM
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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Sulaiman wrote ...

Looks like you will have a very nice TC.

just a few minor side notes :

Long after you have forgotten reading this note,
you will find that a heavily insulated secondary can build up a shocking ammount of static electrical charge cheesey


I so agree with that. I remember getting shocked for days every time I tried to move the secondary after disassembling the coil for storage. The static charge would just not go away.
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paulj
Sun Dec 03 2017, 09:51AM
paulj Registered Member #59353 Joined: Sun Apr 17 2016, 02:08PM
Location: France
Posts: 84
hello, some update.

The toroid is a real "problem nest" sanding is long is difficult, I do not think to get a perfect torus.
I do not recommend this technique for beginners, and for large toroid

For lack of space I tinkered the chassis to install the capacitors because they are larger than expected and bring them closer to the spark gap to limit the length of the cables.

Ps, I will repaint the chassis, otherwise it's not clean, I recall that the goal is to make a coil Tesla with the most material thrown in the trash.



1512294381 59353 FT180663 Before

1512294381 59353 FT180663 After

1512294381 59353 FT180663 Img 20171121 203934 Copie

1512294471 59353 FT180663 Img 20171130 153522 Copie
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paulj
Tue Dec 05 2017, 06:02AM
paulj Registered Member #59353 Joined: Sun Apr 17 2016, 02:08PM
Location: France
Posts: 84
Link2


out of curiosity, I operated spark gap without primary capacitor, the result is beautiful.
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paulj
Tue Mar 20 2018, 09:29AM
paulj Registered Member #59353 Joined: Sun Apr 17 2016, 02:08PM
Location: France
Posts: 84
Hello

after a long absence, the Tesla Coil is finished and ready to be adjusted
the main problem encountered is toroid building,
to allow the adhesive tape to stick, I applied a coat of acrylic paint.

but the plaster layers have increased the diameter of the torus, so in theory the resonance frequency should be lower

so I decided not to cover the toroid completely with aluminum to compensate

why build a complicated torus?

because I wanted to limit the currents of foucaults (the separation visible to the right of the photo.

but, I think it's useless.


1521538064 59353 FT180663 Img 20180313 120914 Copie


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paulj
Mon Apr 02 2018, 11:50AM
paulj Registered Member #59353 Joined: Sun Apr 17 2016, 02:08PM
Location: France
Posts: 84
so,

while waiting for the holidays (France), here are some details of safety. The control box is composed of:

-Protection against electrocutions.
Residual-current device, short circuit, overcurrent with circuit breaker
-remote control, the high power does not go into the buttons (it is mandatory) with several power contactors
-emergency stop with fall of the power circuit breaker.
-in the event of an emergency stop, a device prevents the coil tesla from restarting alone, with pushbuttons (no switch)
-A key (for emergency stop and control).
-finally, a sgtc specific device that prevents sending the high voltage if the rotating spark gap does not rotate.
-and indicator lights.

you can see the separation between the power unit (blue socket) and control (bakelite domino)

the gray box will contain the decoupling capacitors, and the high voltage filters for the network (for the moment, it contains only the capacitor of the fan, and the filter of spark gap.



1522669738 59353 FT180663 Contole


1522666981 59353 FT180663 Voyant 1

1522666981 59353 FT180663 Voyant 2

1522666981 59353 FT180663 Alim

1522666981 59353 FT180663 Filtre

1522666981 59353 FT180663 Cosse

1522666981 59353 FT180663 Cables

1522666981 59353 FT180663 Img





In the concept of the materials recovery, I didn't find crimping lugs for the primary, so I improvised with parts of aluminum.

for now that's all I can publish, I can't wait to start tunning
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Sulaiman
Mon Apr 02 2018, 01:05PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 3140
paulj wrote ...
... snip ... why build a complicated torus?

because I wanted to limit the currents of foucaults (the separation visible to the right of the photo.

but, I think it's useless.

It may be useless - but it may not.

There should be a current induced in a torus topload, I'm sure that there is,
how significant this effect is on performance has not, to my knowledge, been investigated.
By having the opportunity to operate your topload with or without a complete electrical loop puts you in a unique position,
I'd be interested in the difference, especially if you could vary magnetic coupling by raising/lowering the topload relative to the secondary top turns.
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paulj
Wed May 02 2018, 06:30AM
paulj Registered Member #59353 Joined: Sun Apr 17 2016, 02:08PM
Location: France
Posts: 84
Hello, I'm stuck, I realize that my toroid is too heavy, and threatens to drop the coil in case of shaking.

I think use nylon straps to hold the secondary, but I do not know what material using, I'm thinking of nylon, what do you think?
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teravolt
Thu May 03 2018, 04:24PM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
Location: Berkeley, ca.
Posts: 1111
I used flexible thermal ducting from the hardware store. its cheap and light
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paulj
Thu May 17 2018, 10:33AM
paulj Registered Member #59353 Joined: Sun Apr 17 2016, 02:08PM
Location: France
Posts: 84
Hello,

it's after three years of construction, I assembled the pieces, the toroid is crooked because of the unequal weight.

teravolt:
if there really is a problem, I will go on an flexible thermal

after a fast measurement, the resonant frequency of the secondary circuit turns around 120 khz, and 100 khz when the streamer touch the ground (nothing to do with the simulation of tesla Map)



I think to adjust the primary circuit so that there is a difference with the secondary cicuit of 20 khz

(not having a frequency meter, I use a 555 tuner and an oscilloscope)

my current will be limited to 16a during the tests.


1526551883 59353 FT180663 Forum


ps: no test in my garage, I don't want fire amazed



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