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Smoke und fire after switching on old electronics TEK DSA 602

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johnf
Sat Aug 12 2017, 04:47AM
johnf Registered Member #230 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 08:01PM
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self healing paper capacitor -yeah right
replace with PP X2 or Polyester X2
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Physikfan
Sun Aug 13 2017, 02:00PM
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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Hi Hazmatt_(The Underdog)

Here are images of parts of the DSA602:

DSA602damagedfilterremoved400x267
Defective component, 0.6 uF X, is removed.

DSA602Filter400x267
Second same component still intact.
As you can see the value of the cap of the DSA602 is 0.6uF X.

DSA602filterklein1400x242
Small filters

As you can see the value of these caps of the DSA602 is 0.015uF

Images of parts of the DSA602A:

DSA602Afiter400x267
Second same component still intact
As you can see the value of the cap of the DSA602A is 0.6uF X2.

DSA602Afilterklein400x199
Small filters
As you can see the value of these caps of the DSA602A is 0.015uF

Hello Johnny10

The pictures are showing views of boards from DSA602 (3) and DSA602A (2).

The pictures 1,2 and 3 of my last post show different views of the first power supply board of the DSA602.
The pictures 4 and 5 of my last post show the analog views of the same power supply board of the DSA602A.

For me it is remarkable that the same capacitors RIFA 0.6 uF X and RIFA 0.6 uF X2, both on the upper left of the boards, and also ONLY these, are fumed in these different oscilloscopes DSA 602 and DSA 602A, randomly?

I must also admit that this incident was my first encounter with this type of interference suppression capacitors.

Regards

Physikfan




I am looking forward to your comments
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sun Aug 13 2017, 05:17PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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Yea you now know what the culprit is, just replace them, its an easy task.
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Hydron
Tue Aug 15 2017, 10:45AM
Hydron Registered Member #30656 Joined: Tue Jul 30 2013, 02:40AM
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The clear caps are notorious for dying, especially after not being used for some time. It is not random or particularly surprising.

Replace every one with a modern equivalent - will not be difficult or expensive, and they are not likely to have killed anything else except by smoke or fire damage.
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radiotech
Tue Aug 15 2017, 05:44PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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The storage history of old electronics is important. Also insulation tests, using meggers,
can predict the moisture content of high voltage circuits but require very careful analysis.

If you have set diodes alight, what damage has been done to the transformer winding ?

Also, enameled copper wire has a limited insulation lifetime, from the moment it
was wound on a core. Copper is so reactive, it eventually destroys the integrity of
the insulation. Aluminum wound coils are much better, for obvious reasons.

You might consider using an arcing fault circuit breaker on the test bench.

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Conundrum
Wed Aug 16 2017, 06:11AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Never knew that!
I wonder if this is the reason why old HDDs eventually just fail?
Seen this a few times, the actuator does not move yet nothing obvious is wrong.
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Physikfan
Fri Aug 18 2017, 11:01AM
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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To all DSA602 and DSA602A owners

Please which DSA602 and DSA602A owner has already had its device open and
can tell me something about the wiring of this board just next to the power supply?

DSA602Avoltagesupplyboard400x267

It is about the two-pole white plug, the third from the left bottom, with the two cables red and brown.
In my DSA602A it is present, in my DSA602 it is missing.

I wonder now, due to a lack of circuit diagram, whether it has to do with the power supply of the floppy disk drive in the DSA602A.
The DSA602A has one, the DSA602 has none.

Best regards

Physikfan
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johnf
Sat Aug 19 2017, 06:48AM
johnf Registered Member #230 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 08:01PM
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That is why god let us invent multimeters with a continuity function

IE find out where it goes
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Physikfan
Thu Aug 24 2017, 08:48AM
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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My latest information:

Both the DSA602A and the DSA602 should have this cable on this board.
This cable is apparently missing on my DSA602.
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