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Slava
Sun Aug 30 2015, 02:00PM
Slava Registered Member #518 Joined: Tue Feb 13 2007, 05:20AM
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By high quality, I mean high resolution.
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klugesmith
Sun Aug 30 2015, 02:30PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Slava wrote ...
BTW... I'm using an industrial grade 3D printer with super high resolution. I don't think water will go through the 3mm thick wall. I'm worried about internal arcing though...
Do you really want a practical, reproducible capacitor?
As mentioned before, you can learn more about the printer and material properties with a much smaller and simpler test structure.
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Slava
Sun Aug 30 2015, 02:45PM
Slava Registered Member #518 Joined: Tue Feb 13 2007, 05:20AM
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I designed it as if it was to be made using injection molding. It's about the same thickness as a beer bottle (often used as a salt water capacitor) ...

Polystyrene: 19.7 MV / meter (@19.8 MV/m --> 19 700 volts / mm)
Polyethylene: 19 - 160 MV / meter
Glass: 9.8 - 13.8 MV / meter (@13.8MV/m --> 13,800 volts / mm) (@9.8MV/m --> 9,800 volts / mm)

Wall thickness = 3mm

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Slava
Sun Aug 30 2015, 05:26PM
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Bored Chemist
Sun Aug 30 2015, 07:09PM
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can you radius the corners- it may help improve the breakdown strength.
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2Spoons
Sun Aug 30 2015, 10:17PM
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The more compelling reason to radius your corners is to stop capillary action drawing salt water up to the top, creating a clearance issue, and flashover. Don't forget, your creepage /clearance distances will need to be quite high - probably 100mm or more. And dry!
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tarakan2
Mon Aug 31 2015, 06:36AM
tarakan2 Registered Member #3859 Joined: Sun May 01 2011, 03:47PM
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Filament fusion fabrication is rarely solid or else it tends to warp. If you print 1 extruder thickness wide it may leak. Metal electrodes may still corrode. Why not make it circular or hexagonal with a spiral filling?
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Conundrum
Wed Sept 09 2015, 10:30AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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I'd be interested to see if this can allow me to make 3D printed lead acids.. even low quality ones. £49 for a 12Ah 12V, they can go and whistle.
Also its quite feasible to 3D print the paste holders as well, and fill them with lead impregnated carbon graphite.
The capacity will still suck but hopefully I can fine tune it and match up the good electrodes.

Link2

Mg-ion are becoming feasible, also they are a lot safer. 2.7V fully charged, electrolyte is an organic salt similar to lithium.
Water getting into the electrolyte is actually easy to fix just by encasing the whole assembly in a hermetically sealed casing similar to a hard drive.
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hen918
Wed Sept 09 2015, 05:58PM
hen918 Registered Member #11591 Joined: Wed Mar 20 2013, 08:20PM
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Conundrum wrote ...

I'd be interested to see if this can allow me to make 3D printed lead acids.. even low quality ones. £49 for a 12Ah 12V, they can go and whistle.
Also its quite feasible to 3D print the paste holders as well, and fill them with lead impregnated carbon graphite.
The capacity will still suck but hopefully I can fine tune it and match up the good electrodes.

Link2

Mg-ion are becoming feasible, also they are a lot safer. 2.7V fully charged, electrolyte is an organic salt similar to lithium.
Water getting into the electrolyte is actually easy to fix just by encasing the whole assembly in a hermetically sealed casing similar to a hard drive.

The person who wrote the web page you linked to seems to worry about the toxicity of lead; I would be more worried about the acid!
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