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3-Stage Coil Gun - (Quest for 200m/s)

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DerAlbi
Sat Apr 11 2015, 06:15PM
DerAlbi Registered Member #2906 Joined: Sun Jun 06 2010, 02:20AM
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does not matter at all. L/R is important.... the question is: increases the iron wire the inductance compared to copper wire? and how would the coupling be... i kind of suspect that te coupling is not so good, since the magnetic field is allready happy inside the coil.. hmmmh. simulation incomming^^ but i have not the time right now.
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BigBad
Sat Apr 11 2015, 08:13PM
BigBad Registered Member #2529 Joined: Thu Dec 10 2009, 02:43AM
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You don't want iron within your turns, it would short out the magnetic field; you want the core material all inside all the turns; none of it in the actual windings, otherwise you'll get no field external to the windings at all, the lines of flux will close within the turns themselves; it's a magnetic short circuit.
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Signification
Sat Apr 11 2015, 11:33PM
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@aarpcard,
I put a strong Neo magnet to the tube of JB-weld: it REALLY pulls! (NOT the hardener)..I haven't thought of it WRT coilguns yet, but definitely will right away. I am also extremely anxious to know your (and other's) thoughts too!
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aarpcard
Mon Apr 13 2015, 04:07AM
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I don't want to risk messing up the coils in this build by potting them in JB Weld. I do however have a smaller coil I built for a past gun I'm not using that'd I'd be willing to test on.

I'll get some baseline readings and see how JB weld affects it. I suspect BigBad is correct though.
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Signification
Mon Apr 13 2015, 09:18AM
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My suggestion, (after think about reluctance): "DON'T PUT JB-WELD IN THE COILS". Find a good use in the projectile!
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klugesmith
Tue Apr 14 2015, 12:20AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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The bit about damping resistors and train-braking resistors reminded me of a cast-iron artifact in my collection.

1428969948 2099 FT170449 Dscn0854


For home-made damping resistors, don't forget the large temperature coefficient of copper (not far behind that of tungsten). When temperature has risen 100 degrees C, the resistance has increased by 40% or 50%.
If temperature doesn't get that high during sustained firing, you are wasting space and material.
Metals like nichrome (or stainless steel, or plain steel) have high resistivity to begin with, and smaller temperature coefficients.

An Internet search found serpentine iron resistors in a picture halfway down this blog page, under June 18, 2010: Link2


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