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Dr. H.
Fri Apr 03 2015, 04:52AM
Dr. H. Registered Member #931 Joined: Mon Jul 30 2007, 05:25PM
Location: Bulgaria
Posts: 486
Hello,

nice coil you've got there. Would you like to share what you've changed to improve the performance. What was the problem before ?

Best Regards
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RateReducer
Fri Apr 03 2015, 11:34AM
RateReducer Registered Member #4603 Joined: Wed Apr 25 2012, 07:33PM
Location: Austria
Posts: 159
Thanks!

Yes, of course.

I tuned the coil to the upper pole. Just moved the primary tab a bit lower to get a higher primary frequency and that forced the coil to oscillate to the upper pole.
The frequency went up to >400kHz. The UD always showed the OCD LED running on such high frequencies. That was the main problem... I did not realize that the UVLO was the problem until i scoped the 24V of the UD board. The voltage dropped significantly. I added 6000µF to the 24V rail and set the UVLO to about 20V - then it worked wink
Now i am going to build a casing for the coil so that i can run it outside with more power/longer ramptime and higher voltage on the bridge.
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Mads Barnkob
Fri Apr 03 2015, 07:07PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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Nice addition with the empty can topload ;)

How about heating of the IGBTs and primary coil? Most other QCWs use water cooling of both, do you just keep the run times short?
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RateReducer
Fri Apr 03 2015, 07:19PM
RateReducer Registered Member #4603 Joined: Wed Apr 25 2012, 07:33PM
Location: Austria
Posts: 159
Thanks Mads!
The topload was just a temporary solution ^^
I just made a new one:

DSC 0203 Zpsxwvvhxhs

The bridge stays really cool. Did not notice a heavy heating - maybe 10 degrees or so... I could measure it at some time.

Edit:

D1e05d338af2 Zpslajafkoi
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loneoceans
Mon Apr 06 2015, 10:37PM
loneoceans Registered Member #4098 Joined: Fri Sept 16 2011, 09:26PM
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Hey fantastic job there and it looks like you’re getting about the same performance as my QCW was. I’m glad to see the QCW driver is working well! amazed

As you have found, upper pole tuning works better for QCWs where the added streamer pulls the coil more in tune, as opposed to lower pole operation, though ideally I would run the coil with the primary tuned lower but driving at the upper pole. This is a bit difficult with the direct feedback UD driver without some modifications.

The wires and heatsink / heating are usually not a problem though especially in the low-duty cycle cases likeT what RateReducer and my coils are doing. This becomes much more relevant in high duty cycle operation, though of course some proper litz wire is always good. And as you found out, it wasn't the OCD kicking in but the UVLO due to the large drive required. The modifications I made to the UD2.7C were inspired exactly because of the UVLO and gate drive power required I was seeing in QCW use, though I wind my GDTs for +-20V operation just to reduce the total gate drive power required. I presume you are using the full 24V gate drive on your 8-bridge?

Looking forward to more sparks when you move the coil down to the floor! The composite photo of the sparks hitting the walls is very cool. Good luck!
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RateReducer
Tue Apr 07 2015, 10:49AM
RateReducer Registered Member #4603 Joined: Wed Apr 25 2012, 07:33PM
Location: Austria
Posts: 159
Hi loneoceans!

Yes, there is huge difference between upper and lower pole tuning. Tuned to the upper pole the streamers are much longer but not as thick like on the lower pole tuning.
I use 24V, yes. With the added electrolytic caps and UVLO adjusted to 20V it works.
A casing for the coil is in the works wink The casing will consist of 4 levels. The cap(s) for the buck will be 30.000µF @ 400V - that should do ^^




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RateReducer
Sun Apr 19 2015, 11:47AM
RateReducer Registered Member #4603 Joined: Wed Apr 25 2012, 07:33PM
Location: Austria
Posts: 159
Made some progress on the casing.

DSC 0227 Zpsf29zljqe

DSC 0226 Zps9wjs6bew

I am worried about the distance primary - bridge and GDT. Is the distance shown on the 2nd pic to close? Now i am still able to move the last plate, the threaded rods are not cut yet.
I just want to keep the casing as small as possible...
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RateReducer
Wed Apr 22 2015, 01:07PM
RateReducer Registered Member #4603 Joined: Wed Apr 25 2012, 07:33PM
Location: Austria
Posts: 159
Sorry for triple posting but the casing is nearly finished.
I made an shielding for the fullbridge - works fine.

The coil is now standing on the ground.
Made a video. Maximum recorded shot was 1,4m.

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Goodchild
Thu Apr 23 2015, 01:58PM
Goodchild Registered Member #2292 Joined: Fri Aug 14 2009, 05:33PM
Location: The Wild West AKA Arizona
Posts: 795
Really great stuff! Your base looks good, I never got my QCW past the a pile of parts that works stage.

I have been itching to do a rebuild of my QCW for a while with a phase shifted full bridge I may just do it.

May I inquire where you found the caps that you are using for the tank circuit?
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RateReducer
Thu Apr 23 2015, 07:01PM
RateReducer Registered Member #4603 Joined: Wed Apr 25 2012, 07:33PM
Location: Austria
Posts: 159
Hi Eric. Thank you!! smile
I got the caps from a member of a german high voltage forum.

The label says "MATROC 5000pF 20kV" - pulse rated caps
If you want i could contact the member - maybe he got some caps left over.
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