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Conundrum
Mon Mar 06 2017, 04:18AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Thanks for linking.
Also I had a fascinating discussion with someone a few days back regarding whether a machine can have a conscience. ie the "Three Laws" only provide a guideline and can't cover every possible scenario.
Would this be something that is hard coded into every AI like a low level operating system (I, Robot) or would it be emergent at some threshold level of complexity?
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DerAlbi
Mon Mar 06 2017, 06:49PM
DerAlbi Registered Member #2906 Joined: Sun Jun 06 2010, 02:20AM
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I find the original article from the start of the thread a bit bullshitty to be honest.
Having the power or the resources to compute something like a brain is worth nothing if the neural net does not have the according structure.
As flexible as the brain is, we are actually extremely hard wired.

To be honest, i think that the human ingenuity will fail for a long time creating a true AI until we realize how damn stupid humans actually are and until we start to build equally stupid machines - but no one will do that.
If you observe a newborn baby, the only thing a true engineer can say about it: worthless. Capable of nothing, dependent on everything and seemingly zero capacity for learning (short term), occasionally annoying as f*** and questionable sentient.
Yet everything about this observation is wrong if you wait for 20years.

So when we decide to build an AI... will we aim to imitate the mature brain, or should we try the babys blob of gooey biomass first?
I honestly think its the baby we need to aim for. Only from its capacity of learning will a mind come forth. But who wants to write the paper: "We built a pooping machine!"?
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Conundrum
Tue Mar 07 2017, 06:15AM
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This a valid point, however the current consensus is that an embryonic AI is going to take a few weeks to get through the "baby" stage.

Also who says we are going to build one? My laptop shows signs of self awareness, but on a cockroach level. In fact modifying the DDR3 SPD chips using a temperature sensor chip allows for AI functionality to be implemented on standard hardware.
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Uspring
Tue Mar 07 2017, 10:24AM
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DerAlbi wrote:
Having the power or the resources to compute something like a brain is worth nothing if the neural net does not have the according structure.
I couldn't agree more. It's like claiming "I've got the equivalent of a processor", when you are carrying a bag full of transistors.

Conundrum wrote:
This a valid point, however the current consensus is that an embryonic AI is going to take a few weeks to get through the "baby" stage.
I don't believe that anyone claims, that he instantiated a babies learning capabilities.
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