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Do not underestimate the power of the brick. V2

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Kizmo
Sat Sept 29 2012, 08:52PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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Aaaaand we have results. Well, sort of. I finally killed that IGBT. But it did not fail because i had too much power running through it.

I cranked the bus voltage up to 400VDC (3phase supply). I kept pushing it harder and harder finally getting almost 4x secondary lenght sparks to grounded objects, OCD was set to 2kA and the OCD led was blinking constantly. When playing music, input power peaked close to 6kW (i was measuring rectifier output current and voltage..). Then, BZZZKRZ..BLAM *sparks flying from base*

What i found was not something i expected to see:

I got little bit carried away with power and sort of forgot that my primary cabling was not up to several kW range cheesey Cables got really hot and sagged, insulaation failed and tank capacitor got shorted to inverter output.


1348951155 599 FT144858 Fail


When i saw this i knew instantly that it was game over. Gate discharge diode was blown in two pieces.

1348951466 599 FT144858 Fail2


The IGBT wasnt very happy

1348951671 599 FT144858 Dead2


Oh well. Another item to the wall of fail.



But this does prove that these igbts can handle insane punishing when everything is set properly. If i ever get similar IGBT this test will continue.
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Gabriel35
Mon Oct 01 2012, 08:17PM
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Pretty interesting Kizmo, keep the test up!
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Thomas W
Mon Oct 01 2012, 09:10PM
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thats awsome, i wish i could get myself together and build one myself hehe, pity about the IGBT faliure.

--Thomas Williamson
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Bennem
Tue Oct 02 2012, 07:39AM
Bennem Registered Member #154 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:28PM
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Did you use a phase lead driver for this?
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Kizmo
Tue Oct 02 2012, 09:25AM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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Nope. Still dont know what is wrong with my UD2.


It is switchign ~560ns late but since the bridge was so heavily snubbered and decoupled its not very big of an issue. Except that HF noise...
1349169921 599 FT144858 560ns Late
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brtaman
Tue Oct 02 2012, 07:59PM
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Great work, Kizmo! :)
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Kizmo
Fri Nov 02 2012, 08:59PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
Location: Northern Finland, Rovaniemi
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And our story continues. This coil doesnt need dark room for sparks to show cheesey

Coil is now rebuilt with SKM200GB-128D full bridge

Bus voltage in this clip is 250VDC (dips below 200 during long notes..) and current meter has scale from 0 to 15A with 5A steps



This run was limited by floor and ceiling. I really did not want any sparks to ceiling as all ccfl fixtures and their power wires are there.

If i ever want to push even more power through this thing i really have to redo primary to get higher primary surge impedance and then crank the bus voltage to 500+V

Still, cool
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Steve Conner
Fri Nov 02 2012, 09:53PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Neat! :) What are you using for the DC power supply?
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Kizmo
Fri Nov 02 2012, 10:10PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
Location: Northern Finland, Rovaniemi
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That table with meters is just 3 phase isolation transformers and 15kVA 3phase variac. Followed by 6-pulse rectifier and more panel mount meters
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Steve Conner
Fri Nov 02 2012, 10:27PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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No shortage of DC power then, I guess! :-o
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