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Use water glass as HV insulator?

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Conundrum
Wed Apr 04 2012, 07:23AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Thanks Proud Mary, this is useful indeed!!!

One thing I might try is insulating a piece of ITO with a very thin layer of silicate, then drying under vacuum or gentle heating to stop it blistering.
Then paint phosphors, etc onto that to see if the breakdown strength is any better than Epoxy or BaTiO3.

Come to think of it, mixing BaTiO3 with silicate would probably work even better.
Heat it up to the upper Curie point then apply HV field to "pole" the material and gently cool to room temperature.
Instant piezos?!
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Proud Mary
Wed Apr 04 2012, 01:27PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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I thought the paper's recipe for the silicate semiconductor was perfect for the home constructor, and all sorts of different dopants could be added without difficulty.

As for drying out, the paper was quite clear on prolonged heating at 100 °C - presumably to heat the material no more than absolutely necessary to drive out the water. This could be done on a kind of bain-marie on the kitchen stove, so long as you could stop steam condensing on the glass.

I'm sure all sorts of interesting experiments could be done with the silicate mixtures and ITO glass - or just plain tin oxide coated glass which is easy to produce from readily availlable tin (II) chloride, as you know. I favour microscope slides for this kind of thing.

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Conundrum
Thu Apr 05 2012, 07:16AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Am having problems downloading it, can you check the link?
thanks!
-A
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Proud Mary
Thu Apr 05 2012, 08:05AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Conundrum wrote ...

Am having problems downloading it, can you check the link?
thanks!
-A

It's working fine from my machine.
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Steve Conner
Thu Apr 05 2012, 08:36AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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I'm getting error no. 404 with fried rice.
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Proud Mary
Thu Apr 05 2012, 08:55AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

I'm getting error no. 404 with fried rice.

Flied lice 404 is on the menu here too, Steve: I just realised that I was pulling up the paper from my cache!

André, if you'd like to send me an email address in a PM, I'll send you the download directly.
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Tetris
Thu Apr 05 2012, 03:34PM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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I know glass is a good dielectric, but I've seen a big marx strike a piece of glass. There was tons of surface tracking. I want to try an experiment myself with a water glass-salt-aluminum foil leyden jar cap with an NST.
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