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Patrick
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:19PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Platinum wrote ...

Yes, and I'm also using the primary of flyback...

So any problem with the circuit?
you should be getting hv out of both then, the iggy and flyback.

your effectivley dividing your 45v and whatever Amps between two transformers, with vastly different frequency behaviours. i trying to think.... what freq are you operating the 555 at?
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Platinum
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:20PM
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No, the frequency is very high for the ignition coil.

Is there anything in the circuit that needs taking out, mind you the circuit is a awesome plasma speaker on 45volts.
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Patrick
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:23PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Platinum wrote ...

No, the frequency is very high for the ignition coil.

Is there anything in the circuit that needs taking out, mind you the circuit is a awesome plasma speaker on 45volts.
the iggy wont respond well above 6khz, but the flyback wont do well until above 10kHz or more, the iron of the iggy and ferrite of the flyback are not series compatible. thats your problem.

i think you should get a 10 or 20 ohm power resistor, then change the freq and on-time.
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Platinum
Mon Feb 27 2012, 10:57PM
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But it works bad without the iggy too.


Conundrum...
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Marko
Tue Feb 28 2012, 10:22AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Hm, the output looks great to me for such a crappy circuit, especialy if you've put an ignition coil or whatever in series with flyback primary?


You can limit the voltage overshoot by placing a capacitor in parallel with the mosfet, which will recycle the stored energy back to the supply.
The flyback will still saturate when drawing arcs though and very hot or blown mosfets would be no surprise.


And actually, I've shown you a schematic based on UC3842 some time ago that solved both problems, but you decided to ignore it.

Marko
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Platinum
Tue Feb 28 2012, 12:57PM
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I don't have the parts to build that, but I'm going to try to build a halfbridge soon...
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Patrick
Tue Feb 28 2012, 05:38PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Platinum wrote ...

I don't have the parts to build that, but I'm going to try to build a halfbridge soon...
A halfbridge is way more complicated than any of the circuits you have so far built, and i dont think you have learned enough yet to move on to a bridge arrangment of any kind yet. if you cant get the parts for a UC type ic circuit, i seriously doubt youll get even some of the parts needed for a half bridge.

you still have much to learn about the single switches before you will be able to move on.
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Platinum
Wed Feb 29 2012, 12:10AM
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I know how ZVS works, and 555, but not much, anyway I would still like to build a halfbridge, or at least a good driver...

I don't like the 555, and I don't like the ZVS driver.
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Thomas W
Wed Feb 29 2012, 01:38AM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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Just.. learn how it works inside out and dont kill yourself with it, a halfbridge can be more dangerous then a ZVS if used in the 'correct' way, i was really worried when you were saying how youve been getting electricuted by the ZVS i sold you... just stay alive

-Tom Williamson
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Tetris
Wed Feb 29 2012, 01:48AM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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Ask quack, he is telling me how to make one.
this is the schematic he's telling me to use:
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