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Patrick
Tue Nov 30 2010, 05:38PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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radhoo wrote ...


However, trying to use this probe with my 50KV cascade supply, gives very poor results. The multimeter jumps between values, the biggest shown is 12 (12KV). Probably because of the high frequency currents.

Any idea on what am I missing? Do I need a capacitive divider? Do I need a combination of the two? Thanks.

are you sure these resistors are non-inductive?
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Patrick
Thu Dec 02 2010, 05:40PM
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im worried the resistors you and i bought are inductive to some degree, thats why your getting jumpy and bogus numbers with your 50kV CW.
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Proud Mary
Thu Dec 02 2010, 05:52PM
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Patrick wrote ...

im worried the resistors you and i bought are inductive to some degree, thats why your getting jumpy and bogus numbers with your 50kV CW.

Surely the C&W output is DC so the inductance of the resistors shouldn't be an issue after a brief settling time - unless perhaps there is a bad ripple floating on top of it, as I suggested above.
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Patrick
Fri Dec 03 2010, 04:07AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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i asummed bad ripple and higher then 60Hz operation... when i warned of possible inductance.

EDIT: he was driving his CW with a ZVS so i can assume the freq is significant, Proud Mary.
EDIT: i believe if there is not a "N" in the part mark, then they are inductive. dam it.


here is the PDF, for Vishay/Dale ROX: (look at the ROX 1-1/2 line)
]rox.pdf[/file]


1291350862 2431 FT1630 Pocketmagic Net Hv Probe 01crop


I read Part mark as: DALE ROX-1-1/2S 200M0 FK 0950 the 09 is year the 50 is the week, i think.

i wonder if used in series, in even numbers, if the resistors can be arranged in counter-turn-series, to cancel the inductance.

here is the original package and label, MINE ARRIVED TODAY...YAY!

1291356705 2431 FT1630 Vishay Rox
ROX150 200M FKLBS -- 11kV resistors

"FKLBS" suffix is defined as :
-- Tolerance +-1%
-- TCo, 100ppm
-- Tin/Pb, Lacer
-- Solid Body, Axial, AL2O3

They are definately inductive.
and thats a problem.
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Patrick
Fri Dec 03 2010, 08:25AM
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i will make capacitience measurements soon in pipe-oil-shield configuration.
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radhoo
Fri Dec 03 2010, 09:50AM
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Here's the resistive/capacitive divider from the Glassman supply:

Link2

You can see the resistors used. Probably this would be a better approach.
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Patrick
Fri Dec 03 2010, 09:57AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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radhoo wrote ...

Here's the resistive/capacitive divider from the Glassman supply:

Link2

You can see the resistors used. Probably this would be a better approach.

yes but with "rdb" in series with the C bandwidth will be poor.
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Steve Conner
Fri Dec 03 2010, 12:11PM
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I think those rdb's are to stop the measuring circuit being taken out instantly by an arc to ground, which would discharge the whole series string of capacitors through it.

Same as the resistors in series with the diodes, they protect the diodes from ground arcs.
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Pinky's Brain
Fri Dec 03 2010, 02:48PM
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Patrick wrote ...

yes but with "rdb" in series with the C bandwidth will be poor.
So reduce rdb (as well as the capacitors). The advantage of RC series strings is that the resistors damp the internal oscillations.

With appropriately chosen values your oscillograph can record accurate waveforms :)
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Patrick
Fri Dec 03 2010, 10:32PM
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yep, thats my plan.
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