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Proud Mary
Sun Mar 20 2011, 10:33PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4992
UNDER CONSTRUCTION

2X2A Test Rig


1300659445 543 FT0 2x2a Test Rig




1300659903 543 FT0 H 2x2a Final Assembly 040 Hf


Check Plus Specs




1300659474 543 FT0 A 2x2a Hv Connection

The red inner wire is RS Components 25kV EHT cable. The thick outer insulation is silicone rubber.
The black casing is a 35mm film can, a tight push fit onto the 2X2A base.


1300659517 543 FT0 B 2x2a Hv Plastic Block Assembly Two Halves




1300659553 543 FT0 C 2x2a Hv Block Assembly




1300659601 543 FT0 D 2x2a Lead Cutting Shielding Assembly

This is Code 4 - meaning 1.8mm thick - rolled lead sheet.

According to the British Sheet Lead Association: "In the UK, rolled lead sheet is the only lead sheet for building made to a British Standard – BSEN 12588:2006 Rolled Lead Sheet for Building Purposes. This specifies thickness and chemical composition to produce a consistent microstructure, which provides the required resistance to creep and thermal fatigue. The standard provides guidelines for length and width and stipulates that the sheet shall be free from inclusions and laminations. For building purposes, rolled lead sheet is available in Codes 3-8 thickness range 1.32mm to 3.55mm (+5% measured at any one point) and from widths 150mm to 2400mm."

Codes 3 and 4 are the only thicknesses I've ever seen offered for sale in builders' merchants, but I'm sure the dedicated rolled lead enthusiast could winkle out some Code 8 - the backbreaking 3.55mm - and carry it off on a forklift trolley to great applause! smile

The attenuation of 50keV X-ray photons (my maximum) by 1.8mm Pb sheet is 7.6E-8





1300789717 543 FT0 Ara2011s

I used Araldite Industrial Slow Epoxy adhesive to glue the lead sheet to the GRP form. I chose a slow setting glue to give me the longest working time
while I positioned the clamps.


1300659636 543 FT0 E 2x2a Lead Cutting Shielding Clamps

You can never have too many clamps!




1300659726 543 FT0 G 2x2a Final Assembly 024 Hf

I used self-adhesive aluminium tape as an environmental barrier over the Pb sheet, and used the back of a wooden spoon as a burnisher to reduce wrinkles and blisters of trapped air.

I turned the raw edge of the cut lead over onto the top of the form by gentle tapping with a rubber mallet.





1300660987 543 FT0 K 2x2a Final Assembly 036 Hf




1300660155 543 FT0 Final 2x2a Final Assembly 034 Hf




1300710590 543 FT0 2x2a Microammeter


I use this large Soviet 100μA moving coil meter to measure the cathode current.
It has an internal resistance of 370Ω, so I shunt it with a 41Ω 10x multiplier when I want it to read 1mA.
I've placed a gas discharge safety gap in parallel with the meter, to stop it becoming live if it should fail open circuit.
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Patrick
Sun Mar 20 2011, 10:49PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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You guys are building such cool stuff !!! (Though, I hope you all dont die.) I wish I understood more of the radioactive phyics stuff.

Is that fat red wire HV+ ? where is your ground?

EDIT: Proud Mary I see you too are a user of the aluminum tape !
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Proud Mary
Mon Mar 21 2011, 12:49AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4992
Patrick wrote ...

You guys are building such cool stuff !!! (Though, I hope you all dont die.) I wish I understood more of the radioactive phyics stuff.

Is that fat red wire HV+ ? where is your ground?

EDIT: Proud Mary I see you too are a user of the aluminum tape !

You can't have too much metal tape! smile I also have rolls of stainless steel, copper, and even self-adhesive lead.

Here, I'm using the aluminium tape as an environmental barrier over the 1.8mm Pb sheet. I used the back of the wooden spoon to burnish the aluminium and get out all the wrinkles and air bubbles out of it.
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Patrick
Mon Mar 21 2011, 01:13AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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where is your ground to complement that fat red wire?
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Proud Mary
Mon Mar 21 2011, 09:18AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4992
Patrick wrote ...

where is your ground to complement that fat red wire?


It exits the shield through a small hole almost diametrically opposite to the HV- window. But for the small voltage drop across the moving coil meter, it is effectively at Earth potential.
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radhoo
Mon Mar 21 2011, 12:27PM
radhoo Registered Member #1938 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 12:44PM
Location: Romania
Posts: 699
Extremely nice setup! Thanks for taking the time to post all these details.
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Proud Mary
Mon Mar 21 2011, 12:48PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4992
radhoo wrote ...

Extremely nice setup! Thanks for taking the time to post all these details.

We've all received such kind and generous comments in this thread, that it makes the effort really worthwhile. smile

I haven't finished my Test Rig Setup post above, and will add more pictures and a commentary over the next few days.

Also, I found a box of assorted EHT rectifier and shunt stabiliser triodes in the shed, so will do some tests on them too.
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radhoo
Sat Mar 26 2011, 09:56PM
radhoo Registered Member #1938 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 12:44PM
Location: Romania
Posts: 699
I wonder how happy would be the 2X2 tube to get connected to the 140KV supply that I've put together today: Link2 . Oil would be needed because the tube's so short cheesey

I've got a new lot of rectifiers myself, I'll be testing them soon:
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Proud Mary
Sat Mar 26 2011, 11:27PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4992
I have two small wire-ended EHT rectifiers that I thought I would try tomorrow afternoon - they are a Mullard EY51 and a Brimar R16, both 17kV PIV from the days of small black-and-white televisions.
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Nah
Sun Mar 27 2011, 02:05AM
Nah Registered Member #3567 Joined: Mon Jan 03 2011, 10:49PM
Location: USA, 1960s
Posts: 260
Top-noch work, guys!
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