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OMG Induction Heater

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Kizmo
Sun Mar 25 2012, 06:00PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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Then its back to the drawing board. I cant have much more than 10uH of extra inductance :)
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IamSmooth
Sun Mar 25 2012, 06:06PM
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Kizmo, at your power levels I would suggest liquid cooling. You will loose IGBTs from overheating.
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Steve Conner
Sun Mar 25 2012, 06:06PM
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Well, here's mine :)

I sold it, as far as I know it's now being used for a student project somewhere.
1332698794 30 FT36475 Inductionheater1

1332698794 30 FT36475 Inductionheater2

1332698794 30 FT36475 Inductionheater3

1332698794 30 FT36475 Inductionheater4
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Kizmo
Sun Mar 25 2012, 06:27PM
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IamSmooth wrote ...

Kizmo, at your power levels I would suggest liquid cooling. You will loose IGBTs from overheating.
Yeps that is of course another option but i would like to fix the main cause of heating which is switching losses during turn off. And that is of course caused by poor power factor of this type of feedback method.
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Kizmo
Sun Mar 25 2012, 06:56PM
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This whole transformer idea is starting to feel stupid. I cant have more than 5uH of inductance from transformer or this thing will turn into ear wrecking machine. And there is no way i can fit enough windigs on any of my smaller ferrites :(
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Steve Conner
Sun Mar 25 2012, 07:12PM
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How are you calculating the inductance? It's the leakage inductance, so to a first approximation, it's the inductance of the secondary by itself with the primary and core removed. In practice slightly less, if you wind the primary close to the secondary as I did.

That should be much less than 1uH. To keep a sense of scale, I remember that a 10 inch diameter loop has an inductance of about 600nH.
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Kizmo
Sun Mar 25 2012, 07:22PM
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Now you made me feel like ultra stupid cheesey

I tought its the inductance that one can calculate from nH/turn^2 value...


Leakage inductance as you described it is no problem at all. I was just about to tear whole days worth of work apart and call it epic fail :p
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IamSmooth
Mon Mar 26 2012, 12:23AM
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Steve, the coil you showed...that looks like a levitation coil. What have you suspended?
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IamSmooth
Mon Mar 26 2012, 12:25AM
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Kizmo wrote ...

IamSmooth wrote ...

Kizmo, at your power levels I would suggest liquid cooling. You will loose IGBTs from overheating.
Yeps that is of course another option but i would like to fix the main cause of heating which is switching losses during turn off. And that is of course caused by poor power factor of this type of feedback method.

What is your frequency?
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Kizmo
Mon Mar 26 2012, 05:28AM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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IamSmooth wrote ...

Kizmo wrote ...

IamSmooth wrote ...

Kizmo, at your power levels I would suggest liquid cooling. You will loose IGBTs from overheating.
Yeps that is of course another option but i would like to fix the main cause of heating which is switching losses during turn off. And that is of course caused by poor power factor of this type of feedback method.

What is your frequency?

Limited by capacitor between 16 and 32kHz. This first prototype ran at 44kHz and at this frequecy calculated turn-off losses (=hard switching) are almost 800W/transistor.
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