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Conundrum
Sat Apr 17 2010, 11:16AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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i have some helium here.. :)

This might be an interesting experiment, any idea of how to construct the device?

thanks, -A

(waitasec, doesen't carbon also add artefacts?)
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hboy007
Sat Apr 17 2010, 12:28PM
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that's the video I referred to. Link2
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Proud Mary
Sat Apr 17 2010, 02:50PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Conundrum wrote ...

(waitasec, doesen't carbon also add artefacts?)

Yes it does. But remember Mosely's discovery that when the square root of the frequency of the characteristic x-rays of an element is plotted against the atomic number, it will produce a straight line on your graph.

Carbon has six protons so its atomic number is 6.

Entering this figure into the handy calculator called Moseley's Modeling of X-ray Frequencies here:

Link2

and we find that the quantum energy of carbon's K-alpha emission is 0.255106875keV and its wavelength is 4.860080701470706nm.

Outside a well-equipped laboratory, it would be difficult to detect such feeble rays - both the source and the detector would have to be contained in a vacuum, because even the shortest journey through atmospheric air would stop them.

I have some proportional counter tubes with Be windows that will go down to 4keV on a good day, and some PIN photodiodes (BPX65) that can manage about 2keV if you take the lens out, but the carbon characteristic rays are so feeble that I can discount them altogether in my school of rough and ready science.

By contrast here are the characteristic X-ray spectra for Ni and Ag



1271515613 543 FT84616 Nickel Characteristic Rays

1271515613 543 FT84616 Silver Characteristic Rays


And you can see from the Ag spectrum why silver is often used as a target in X-ray tubes - because of the powerful emission around 22keV, where it is penetrating enough to be useful, and sufficiently salient for it to be considered almost monochromatic if you have just 23 or 24kV on the anode.
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cduma
Wed Apr 28 2010, 10:18PM
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Wow! I cant wait to try this! Do you think it is feasible to come up with a cap 14V >4F?
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quicksilver
Fri Apr 30 2010, 03:19PM
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If commercial ones commonly sold can put out 1.2F @ 5V at the size of a silver dollar, I don't see why you can't create something bigger.
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IntraWinding
Fri Apr 30 2010, 06:49PM
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I wonder why they don't make higher voltage super capacitors?
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Mycologist
Fri Apr 30 2010, 10:18PM
Mycologist Registered Member #2413 Joined: Sat Oct 03 2009, 08:27PM
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As far as I know they don't make higher voltage supercaps because the only way to make them go to 5V is by stacking 4 or 5 in series; any more than about a volt and a bit and the electrolyte breaks down right? So to make them high voltage, you'd need to stick a truckload in series, with lots of wasted space...
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Conundrum
Sat May 01 2010, 03:06PM
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the other way is to build multiple supercaps with inverse polarities (same sort of idea as a peltier module) in the same casing.
so 4 1000F (doable) in series would give you 125F at 10V

-A
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