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Camel
Wed Dec 03 2008, 07:08AM Print
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
Location: Australia
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Hi,

I'm thinking of making a hybrid gun that uses an induction launcher to compress air to fire a projectile.

Induction launchers are quite efficient. I see FastMhz was achieving efficiencies of close to 10%. The problem I see with stock standard induction launchers is that the Al plate must have a fairly large area up against the coil for maximum eddy current generation. I figure you could transfer the kinetic energy of the Al plate to a smaller, more aerodynamic slug by using the Al plate to compress air. By doing so you could create a weapon with more penetrating power and range, you could fire a projectile of any material and it would (maybe?) still be more powerful than an equivalent coil gun.
Clicky

I reckon I'll try it out with a 400V 100J cap bank to start with.

Suggestions, comments, ideas?
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Dago
Wed Dec 03 2008, 10:45AM
Dago Registered Member #538 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 08:33PM
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You mean by accelerating some kind of a piston in a cylinder with the barrel and the projectile on the other side? I guess thats an idea. Might be hard to make the piston and the cylinder low-friction (and low maintenance) yet fairly air tight.
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Camel
Wed Dec 03 2008, 11:11AM
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
Location: Australia
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Dago wrote ...

You mean by accelerating some kind of a piston in a cylinder with the barrel and the projectile on the other side? I guess thats an idea. Might be hard to make the piston and the cylinder low-friction (and low maintenance) yet fairly air tight.

Exactly! I imagine there would be significant losses from blow back, but if I could accurately machine the Al disk and the bore of the cylinder, as well as lube it up with some oil, it shouldn't be too bad. I'm thinking about using a short length of PCV pipe with screw on ends as the cylinder. I'd lathe out the centre to make the inside diameter reasonably exact. The pipe would be quite easy to change too, since there is nothing actually attached to it - just unscrew both ends, take out the spring and Al disk and put the new pipe on.
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Dago
Wed Dec 03 2008, 11:38AM
Dago Registered Member #538 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 08:33PM
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Some kind of recessed "rollers" on the side of the piston might be a good idea but hard to accomplish. I don't think a flat piston would move too smoothly in a PVC-cylinder without some kind of "rails" or something to prevent it from jamming in the cylinder. It would be a lot better if the cylinder would be made of metal but obviously it cant due to eddy currents.

Somebody with better theoretical education can think how feasible idea this is smile
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Camel
Wed Dec 03 2008, 11:43AM
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
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I suppose the problem could be minimized by using a fairly thick piece of aluminium. Rails would be good too. Rails + thick aluminium + plenty of oil perhaps?
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Backyard Skunkworks
Wed Dec 03 2008, 04:41PM
Backyard Skunkworks Registered Member #1262 Joined: Fri Jan 25 2008, 05:22AM
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So basically your talking about an electromagnetically powered light gas gun (minus the light gas?).
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big5824
Wed Dec 03 2008, 04:51PM
big5824 Registered Member #1687 Joined: Tue Sept 09 2008, 08:47PM
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could you have the disk already contained inside a plastic tube? with the coil at one end
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Shaun
Wed Dec 03 2008, 05:01PM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
Location: New Jersey, USA
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I don't remember who or where, but there's a thread here somewhere where the author had the Al plate impact a golf ball in order to transfer the energy into a more aerodynamic projectile, similar to how a Newton's Cradle works.
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Camel
Wed Dec 03 2008, 08:59PM
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
Location: Australia
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Backyard Skunkworks wrote ...

So basically your talking about an electromagnetically powered light gas gun (minus the light gas?).

Pretty much!!
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