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Steve Conner wrote ...
Ben: Where is this magical anti-crashing technology that comes pooping out of the combatants' asses? i assume you're talking about nuclear power as an offshoot of the atom bomb program, and more generally, about war as a catalyst for development? I don't buy it, but that's probably just my personal prejudice.
Technology in general was what I was referring to. Profit(of which money is only one representation) drives innovation(all of it). I was assuming the fighting was capitalism, at least that was the implication I read in the original metaphor. Capitalism is all about exploiting human nature(greed) to extract extraordinary efficiencies.
Steve Conner wrote ...
I think military technology is fundamentally different to the kind of technology that we need to use energy in environmentally friendly ways. Uber hippy Amory Lovins liked to draw a distinction between "hard" and "soft" energy, and military systems are pretty hard, since they're designed to destroy things with concentrated energy of a very high thermodynamic temperature.
I'll just give one example, out of many, to counter this odd claim. The internet....
The distinction between "hard" and "soft" energy along millitary/civilian lines is dubious....at best. The distinction in and of itself is pretty arbitrary. I wouldn't call the Sun "soft" power. Or lava. No offense, but this argument reminds me of when this pothead tried to explain quantum mechanics to me; he waved his hands.......a lot.
Ethanol is not a viable solution. Probably won't ever be. Perhaps some bioengineered "fuel plant" could be. It would likely come with it's own trade-offs.
EastVoltResearch wrote ...
Good to see that 4hv isn't completely made up of liberals. And those extremist environmentalist groups that want to save all the happy trees in the Northwest to help save some stupid spotted owl don't think about all the families they would be screwing by putting their parents out of work (lumber industry, etc...) But this is offtopic, so on with global warming . . .
It does seem to have a lot of strongly held, but not well thought out opinions, on every side.(I'm accusing anyone in particular, here)
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I must admit that Ben got me with the internet thing. I forgot that it was originally designed as a military communications network that could survive a nuclear attack. So I don't really have a leg to stand on.
I'm not really fit to contribute to this debate anyway, since I suffer from several cognitive biases, perhaps the worst being the "Michael Moore Is Cool Effect". I kind of suspect Ben has the opposite bias to mine, the "Defense Research Must Be Good For The Planet Because I Do it And I'm A Great Guy Effect " These two views of the world obviously aren't compatible so we could argue forever without getting anywhere. So I'll give up now.
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The Biggest Lesson to be learned from Global Warming . . .
These two views of the world obviously aren't compatible so we could argue forever without getting anywhere. So I'll give up now.