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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Dec 08 2007, 01:37PM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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It's possible to draw quite good arcs even at low mains voltage (230V).
I made a simple current-limited DC power supply which puts out cca 3-5A short circuit current. A very hot arc up to 3" can be drawn. If you build this I suggest you to use at least some eye protection (sunglasses etc.) as the arc is very hot and bright and can damage your eyes.

The size of the cap bank determines the arc current. Probably up to 100uF is "safe" but the choke must be rated accordingly.

1197119622 152 FT0 Schematic


1197120437 152 FT0 Pict0194

(I've used 2 xfmrs in parallel)



Here are some stills from a video:
1197118086 152 FT0 Mainsarc1

1197118086 152 FT0 Mainsarc2

1197118086 152 FT0 Mainsarc5



The orange color is because I've put sunglasses in front of my camera in an attemt to protect the CCD from damage.


Link to youtobe video @ Link2 (why it puts the link on a new line?)


J.M.



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Mates
Sat Dec 08 2007, 02:27PM
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The only problem of the circuit is that you will destroy the cap by electric stress after relatively short time... There is a possibility to put the limiting cap behind the diodes. This will work forever and you do not need choke (however it is better for plasma pulling)

scheme

1197124018 1025 FT35632 Limeted Current
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Dec 08 2007, 02:32PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Mates> I don't think the caps are stressed, they stay at RT all the time. I absolutely need the choke, without it I don't get any arcs.
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teravolt
Sat Dec 08 2007, 06:02PM
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replace your electrodes with two peaces with carbon and you may be able melt things like potery.
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atomicthumbs
Wed Dec 19 2007, 05:52PM
atomicthumbs Registered Member #498 Joined: Sun Nov 19 2006, 06:00PM
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teravolt wrote ...

replace your electrodes with two peaces with carbon and you may be able melt things like potery.

or poetry
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Steve Conner
Wed Dec 19 2007, 05:55PM
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I don't know about melting poetry, but you guys can certainly melt grammar and spelling without any electrodes at all. ill
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zippotix
Mon Jan 21 2013, 01:24PM
zippotix Registered Member #5208 Joined: Thu Jun 07 2012, 06:12PM
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I'm gonna take a risk and dig this thread up, lol. Dr.DC, I want to "build" this thingy, but I can't find 50uF cap rated at 400V, instead, can I use a 47uF 400V one? I will use a high current MOT as a choke, and 1uF MOC as a second cap (the one that hooked to output of rectyfying bridge). Is that alright?
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Jan 21 2013, 01:55PM
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You need a non-polarised foil cap, electrolytic will not work. You can also replace the cap with an inductor.
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Daedronus
Mon Jan 21 2013, 03:23PM
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at one point I got minor sunburns from mains drawn arcs, you might want to protect your eyes with very high power arcs...arc welder glass is cheap....
just a though.....
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zippotix
Mon Jan 21 2013, 04:02PM
zippotix Registered Member #5208 Joined: Thu Jun 07 2012, 06:12PM
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Oh, so MKP ones are good to go? And for 1uF a MOC should work, it's not polarised as far as I remember?
Daedronus, thanks for heads up. I wasn't aware that they would be THAT bright. But how this circuit works?
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