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Experimentonomen
Mon Aug 06 2007, 08:53PM Print
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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I have this big ~3MHz secondary and came up with this crazy idea of using an 813 and make it a plasma tweeter style VTTC. What do you think about this crazy idea, would it be possible to make it work ?
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Sulaiman
Mon Aug 06 2007, 09:36PM
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I'm confused with "big" and "3 MHz"

A secondary that resonates at 3 MHz can't be 'big' can it?

(at 3 MHz 1/4 wavelength is about 25 meters)
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Experimentonomen
Mon Aug 06 2007, 09:50PM
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It is big, it stand over 20 inches tall, over 3 inches diameter and is wound with 12 or 18 gauge wire.
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Marko
Mon Aug 06 2007, 10:00PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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A secondary that resonates at 3 MHz can't be 'big' can it?

Sure it can, although too big may dwarf the spark itself (I think in this case it is indeed too big) Too small secondaries tend to get very hot at these frequencies and can melt if they are wound on plastic.
If it's main use is going to be audio modulation then it should be fine. But I don't think it's easy beginner project.
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Dr. Drone
Tue Aug 07 2007, 12:53AM
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To much secondary for a little tube.

813’s really are not a good choice for first VTTC. Try an 811, 810, 833, and grid/cathode modulate. Jorrit a few post down published a nice schematic on VTTC modulation. wink

rgs,
Ch
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Experimentonomen
Tue Aug 07 2007, 08:14AM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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813 was all my friend had that i could borrow for this.

Btw i´ve built vttc´s before, but none used big tubes like this or very high voltage, all used EL38 and similar, with a plate voltage well below 1000V, which of course dident work very well.

But now i have a MOT and a real transm tube so i´m ready for the real thing.
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Myke
Tue Aug 07 2007, 08:31AM
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Be very careful with MOTs because they can supply enough current to kill you instantly. Also be aware of the hazards when running this.
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Experimentonomen
Tue Aug 07 2007, 12:52PM
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I NEVER EVER connect this stuff direct to 230V without a trafo between, i run the MOT off around 90V.

I put together something primitive and it worked on first try, but i dont have enough capacitance for the HV supply.
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Marko
Tue Aug 07 2007, 01:50PM
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Yeah, the big problem with audio-modulated tube coils is that they require quite a lot of filtering to work. If you don't want audio modulation at time you can simply use half or full wave rectified output, or level shifter.

You might want to buy a dozen electrolytic caps and series them, like 8x 220uF 400V for 27,5uF
3200V wich would suit a single mot. Depending on your tube you might want to build a fullwave doubler.

When you have such a bank of capacitors it is also very lethal and needs bleeder resistors.

I don't know how good idea it is to run a MOT with ungrounded core. I think it's better idea to run it straight from mains, ground the core and *stay away* from it. Isolation transformer will just give you false sense of security, you should not contact any part of coil while it's operating and caps charged for god's sake.

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Experimentonomen
Tue Aug 07 2007, 08:46PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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Today i found and bought a matched set of 811A´s, 35 bucks including shipping.
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