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Possible giant diamagnetism in BiPbSnIn ?

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Conundrum
Tue Jul 03 2007, 07:00PM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi all.
I think I may have stumbled across something truly weird.

Was mixing up another batch of low melting point metal for removing IC's.
For various reasons (impure lead and/or crystalline bismuth) this batch had a LOT of impurities which showed up as annoying black/silvery crystals in the melt.

Did the usual trick of removing all the crud by scraping the nearly crystallised alloy with a spoon end, and saved this alloy. Then re-melted to salvage what I could (indium=$$$)

So I ended up with about a quarter gram of black and silver flakes which were basically useless. Just to see what happened I got a strong neodymium magnet and checked to see if any of the flakes stuck.

Was very surprised to see that some did- not only that but upon further cooling (the flakes were pretty hot still) more stuck.

So far I have about 10 flakes varying in size from 0.2mm to 2mm, all of which stick to a magnet even though none of the components should be magnetic.

Reckon I am onto something here?

-A
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Tue Jul 03 2007, 08:10PM
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well, if they stick to the magnet they are not diamagnetic (by definition...), I would guess that you had some Fe, or a little bit of a Nd magnet, or something similar in the mix.
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ragnar
Wed Jul 04 2007, 08:37AM
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I believe Andre meant 'paramagnetism'. Isn't Bismuth paramagnetic under some circumstances anyway?
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Swany
Tue Jul 17 2007, 05:06PM
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Bismuth is the most diamagnetic of all elements, meaning it opposes magnetic fields. This is due to the unfilled 6p orbitals I would assume, there are 3 unpaired electrons in those orbitals.

However, some bismuth alloys are magnetic. MnBi is an alloy known as 'Bismanol', the navy uses it for its high coercive force.
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Bored Chemist
Tue Jul 17 2007, 05:13PM
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There's a nickel iron alloy with pretty much the same thermal expansion as glass. (called kovar IIRC) the IC industry uses it to make the pins on ICs ( I don't know why- perhaps they just haven't changed the mix since they were making valves).
Bits of that in the mix are a lot more likely than ferromagnetic mixtures of non magnetic materials.
Having said that, some heusler alloys are magnetic even though their components aren't.
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EEYORE
Tue Jul 17 2007, 05:15PM
EEYORE Registered Member #99 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:10PM
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Swany wrote ...

Bismuth is the most diamagnetic of all elements, meaning it opposes magnetic fields. This is due to the unfilled 6p orbitals I would assume, there are 3 unpaired electrons in those orbitals.

However, some bismuth alloys are magnetic. MnBi is an alloy known as 'Bismanol', the navy uses it for its high coercive force.

I beleive pyrolytic graphite is 15 times more diamagnetic than bismuth. I have some, and it will levitate above strong magnets.
Matt
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Spedy
Sat Aug 25 2007, 04:49PM
Spedy Registered Member #964 Joined: Wed Aug 22 2007, 12:39AM
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mattrg2 wrote ...

Swany wrote ...

Bismuth is the most diamagnetic of all elements, meaning it opposes magnetic fields. This is due to the unfilled 6p orbitals I would assume, there are 3 unpaired electrons in those orbitals.

However, some bismuth alloys are magnetic. MnBi is an alloy known as 'Bismanol', the navy uses it for its high coercive force.

I beleive pyrolytic graphite is 15 times more diamagnetic than bismuth. I have some, and it will levitate above strong magnets.
Matt


Pyrolytic graphite is just a certain crystal formation of carbon, not an element. Bismuth is the most diamagnetic Element yet to be discovered.

On topic:

Thats pretty cool. I haven;t done anything with liquid metal, but I've read lots about it.

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Conundrum
Sun Oct 28 2007, 05:07PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Try putting some in an ultrasonic field. It forms "ripples" :)

Setting up a standing wave and then slowly cooling the metal would probably result in some very interesting formations, a bit like ferrorfluid on a speaker.

(btw the 59c alloy works well for this, Email me for a free sample.)

-A
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