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teslaesque
Mon Jun 04 2007, 08:25AM Print
teslaesque Registered Member #818 Joined: Mon Jun 04 2007, 08:00AM
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If i parallel two 12KV NSTs to run at 24KV from the secondary output will it re-enter the transformers at 24KV and ruin them? If so, how can i prevent this?

Circuit:
12KV @ 30ma->------------------------------------------>V
l...........................l^................................................l
l...........................Vl................................................V
l12KV @ 30ma --> 60KV .01uF capacitor............spark gap-----
^.................................................. ...l^.............................l
l.................................................. ....l l...............................l
l.................................................. ....Vl..............................V
-------------------------------------------------- <------Primary Coil
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Coronafix
Mon Jun 04 2007, 08:33AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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If you parallel two 12kV30mA NSTs, you wil get 12kV60mA.
Putting the two in series will give you 24kV but this is not advisable
as the insulation within the transformer is not built to withstand that voltage.
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teslaesque
Mon Jun 04 2007, 08:34AM
teslaesque Registered Member #818 Joined: Mon Jun 04 2007, 08:00AM
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thanks Is my circuit set up as a series or parallel?
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Coronafix
Mon Jun 04 2007, 10:07AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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Here is my 30 second drawing with a baby on my lap.

1180951568 160 FT26293 Parallel

Secondary ends are connected together to feed into the primary circuit.
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Part Scavenger
Mon Jun 04 2007, 12:45PM
Part Scavenger Registered Member #79 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:35AM
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You've got to make sure they're in phase too, if nothing come out, spin one of the NST's around and reparallel.
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IamSmooth
Wed Jun 06 2007, 01:31AM
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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There are two ways you can see if they are phased correctly:

You can power both of them up with a variac and see if you can draw an arc between the terminals of NST1 and NST2. If you can't then you should connect them together for one terminal, and connect the other two for your second terminal. Of course, the power if off when you do this.

You can also connect a voltmeter between the terminals of NST 1 and 2 and slowly power them up with a variac. If they are phased correctly then the voltage difference will be small, like 0 to 100v. If you have them connected out of phase then the voltage will rapidly increase as you increase the variac.

Be careful as most voltmeters don't go above 750v AC and you will blow your meter if you increase your variac too much. Each volt going in converts to 130v coming out for a 15kv NST, so this means you only have to turn the variac up to 6v before blowing the meter.

Also, make sure your variac is fused.
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J. Aaron Holmes
Wed Jun 06 2007, 04:27AM
J. Aaron Holmes Registered Member #477 Joined: Tue Jun 20 2006, 11:51PM
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Just use the draw-an-arc approach to phasing NSTs. There's no reason to bother with any other method.

If you were phasing pole pigs, the bring-it-up-slowly-with-a-variac approach is warranted, but use a reversed NST or something to transform the 14-15kV back down to 0-120V for your meter. Don't connect your DMM to the output of your NST or pig. That is just begging to wreck your DMM ... maybe you!

Regards,
Aaron, N7OE
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