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Munkey
Mon May 07 2007, 01:35PM Print
Munkey Registered Member #588 Joined: Sat Mar 17 2007, 11:06AM
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Hi

Before anyone asks I am NOT looking for step by step plans.

I have been looking up the maths of how to make a calculated SGTC, but I got stuck,
I have looked on the DeepFriedNeon site for the equations but there are a lot of unknowns and I cannot see how I can work it out.
Anyway my main question is can I wind a secondary of about 800 to 1000 turns and above and then work out the primary windings and the capacitor value. I assume the spark gap is a bit if guesswork.

Thanks.
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Finn Hammer
Mon May 07 2007, 02:07PM
Finn Hammer Registered Member #205 Joined: Sat Feb 18 2006, 11:59AM
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This site is one of the best when it comes to describing the Tesla Coil.

Link2

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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uzzors2k
Mon May 07 2007, 02:32PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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You must have missed this. Link2
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Munkey
Mon May 07 2007, 03:43PM
Munkey Registered Member #588 Joined: Sat Mar 17 2007, 11:06AM
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Yes, I have red both of those sites.
But I only have one set value and it does not seem possible to work out the capacitor value, primary inductance and secondary inductance. Is is possible?

BTW I am really really bad at maths
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Steve Conner
Mon May 07 2007, 04:44PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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You aren't as bad at maths as you think: you just don't have enough information to solve the problem. In math jargon, it's underdetermined, IIRC. Your mistake was to only set one value, when you actually have to make some more assumptions.

In practice, that is usually done by winding the secondary first (with around 1000 turns like you said) on whatever diameter of former you can get, making a topload out of whatever you can get your hands on, and then measuring to see what resonant frequency you ended up with. You can now calculate all the other parts that will match it.
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Finn Hammer
Mon May 07 2007, 05:16PM
Finn Hammer Registered Member #205 Joined: Sat Feb 18 2006, 11:59AM
Location: Skørping, Denmark
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Bacon wrote ...


BTW I am really really bad at maths
Bacon,

I may have misunderstood you, perhaps you really want to calculate the coil step by step.
If not, try to download this program, it will make things much easier for you. I use it all the time.
Link2
There are more accurate programs like this:
Link2
But somehow, I always end up using Wintesla. To each his own.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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Munkey
Mon May 07 2007, 06:44PM
Munkey Registered Member #588 Joined: Sat Mar 17 2007, 11:06AM
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Steve, Yehh thats the answer I was looking for! Im not sure how to find the resonant frequency... (great TCs you have got!)

Finn,
Me and calculators get along very well! Hot-streamer I think is down for now, Ill check later.
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HV Enthusiast
Mon May 07 2007, 09:56PM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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You can always check out this paper which shows how to use readily available freeware Tesla cad programs to design the components of your coil . . .

http://www.easternvoltageresearch.com/designfiles/paper_howto.pdf
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