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attune
Sun Feb 26 2006, 06:19PM Print
attune Registered Member #259 Joined: Sun Feb 26 2006, 05:57PM
Location: Friday Harbor, Wa
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I am building a resonant DC tesla coil, and am very close to completion.

  • 2500v MOT, 4x voltage multiplier (10kv 80ma)

  • ARSG

  • 24kv 0.0125 uf cap, 0.15 snubber cap mmc

  • 4" secondary

  • 2 toroid topload

  • Charging reactor, 4 MOTs with secondaries connected in series, open primaries, and 'I' blocks cut off and separated by 1/8" from the 'E' block.

I connect everying with bolts and 6 awg wire. I use a small variac to control the arsg. So far the output is almost non-existant, only a few inches. I have tested the supply with 9v AC, and got 700 volts out, which is what I should get, but the capacitor only chargeds up to 700v. With the DC resonant system I build it should be charged up to 2x supply voltage. What gives? This means the cap bank is only charged up to 9000v. Does anyone have suggestions? Help!



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Roger
Sun Feb 26 2006, 06:58PM
Roger Registered Member #221 Joined: Mon Feb 20 2006, 05:36PM
Location: Chillicothe Ohio
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You might want to try using a rotary spark gap in series with your static gap.

On small DC resonant systems with static spark gaps I have had interesting results using the secondary of a neon sign transformer as a charging reactor. You don't get real long sparks but your "breaks per second" is real high. So high that the coil makes a wining noise and puts out a flame like spark. smile

Roger
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attune
Sun Feb 26 2006, 07:03PM
attune Registered Member #259 Joined: Sun Feb 26 2006, 05:57PM
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I am using an asynchronous rotary spark gap...
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vasil
Sun Feb 26 2006, 08:07PM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
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Hmm, what is your BPS?
how is working the ARSG, it makes big flames?
And what is snubber cap?
Take off completely the "I" blocks and try again
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attune
Sun Feb 26 2006, 09:03PM
attune Registered Member #259 Joined: Sun Feb 26 2006, 05:57PM
Location: Friday Harbor, Wa
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I am not certain what my BPS are, but I with my configuration I am pretty sure that it is 100-500. The sparks in the gap are much smaller and quiter than they should be >:(, and it does not always spark ( I can see breaks in the spark) even though the gap is set very close. I will try taking off the 'I's entirely.
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vasil
Sun Feb 26 2006, 09:14PM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
Location: Romania
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Do you have a de- quing diode ? it is needed to stop the extravoltage to be drained back into the power supply.
Is your design similar with this?

http://www.scopeboy.com/tesla/tc2schem.html
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Sulaiman
Sun Feb 26 2006, 09:22PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
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For dc 'resonant' charging,
the voltage across the primary capacitor looks like 1/2 a sinewave
because it is!

The time between 'bangs' needs to be more than the time for half a cycle of sinewave at frequency=1/2.pi.srqt(Lcharge.Cprimary)

I guess that four MOT secondaries in series is too high an inductance for normal dc charging to work.
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vasil
Sun Feb 26 2006, 09:31PM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
Location: Romania
Posts: 506
This would explain the quiter arcs in the gap. The L tends to make the arc more continuos, without the well known cracking sound.

Nick Berndsen, member on this forum, used a DC resonant charging too with only two MOT cores, so they keep well. Here the link:

http://www.geocities.com/**link**/TC3.html

and the source:

http://www.geocities.com/**link**/TC3ugly.html

So you have place to move, with lower inductance.
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attune
Sun Feb 26 2006, 10:53PM
attune Registered Member #259 Joined: Sun Feb 26 2006, 05:57PM
Location: Friday Harbor, Wa
Posts: 18
Sounds like good advice. I will try it right now. So let me get this right, I won't be able to measure the doubled voltage?
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Steve Conner
Mon Feb 27 2006, 12:09PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
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The voltage won't actually double until the spark gap starts firing.

The thing about needing a certain maximum inductance for DC charging is a myth. No matter how big the inductance is, the tank capacitor still charges to twice the DC supply voltage. This has been known since the 1940s. However, using a small enough inductance to give discontinuous current may make it easier for the spark gap to quench.
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