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Bjørn
Wed Mar 28 2007, 12:04PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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You need highest possible current and lowest possible friction. If you can't measure the current then you are working blind. If you don't know the ESR of your capacitors then only luck can make you succeed.

To reach your target with such a low energy you need a well made railgun. I suggest that you make an efficient coil-gun first to learn more.
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Wolfram
Wed Mar 28 2007, 01:47PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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If you have five 80µF 60V caps, as you stated in your first post, then you have 0.72J in total. If you had a hundred times this, it might be possible. If you had a thousand times this, it should make a usable small railgun. Unless you can get several hundred of these caps, I'd start looking for some better caps.
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dixie43
Wed Mar 28 2007, 05:02PM
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where would i be able to find really good caps? Would it be more efficient to connect the caps in series or in parallel?
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Eric
Wed Mar 28 2007, 06:55PM
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Photo flash caps are 'good' in that they have low ESR and are designed for high current output but you should be able to use just about any electrolytics. You ought not to need more than 300V-400V if your circuit resistance and inductance is kept to a minimum. Most people use big filter capacitors from switching power supplies. They are easy to find on ebay.

The big limiting factor with electrolytics and railguns is their high ESR, so generally you'll be better off with caps wired in parallel. Caps should have a voltage rating in the ballpark of 300V-600V.

As others have said, steel rails are very bad. They have high resistivity and also very high AC resistance due to skin effect in comparison to copper. The net effect is that they are ~100 worse than copper and will limit your peak current.
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dixie43
Wed Mar 28 2007, 07:09PM
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What can i use instead of copper that is a good conductor?
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Ronnie
Wed Mar 28 2007, 07:57PM
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Aluminium is a good alternative if you can't find copper, it is a lot easier to find at an affordable price, but it is still better than steel. Try googling for statistics of different materials - electric conductivity, melting point, etc. The only way to find out how these numbers combine in real life though is to try it out.
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dixie43
Wed Mar 28 2007, 08:08PM
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I have aluminum rails i can use instead of steel (15 inches each) and i have found cheap caps that have a voltage rating of 330v and 120uf each. I am using speaker wire to connect my caps to the camera flash board and the rails. How many caps of 330v and 120uf would i need to fire my projectile (small piece of aluminum, until i can find a more effecient projectile) 5-10 feet?
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Ronnie
Wed Mar 28 2007, 08:21PM
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It would be impossible to predict that due to the number of different factors that would need to be considered. Use the fattest cable you can obtain, and perhaps 30 photoflash capacitors. If range is all that matters, use a slightly smaller piece of aluminium foil. As it weighs less it will be go faster, within reason. Try all different shapes, sizes and materials for the projectile, be creative :)
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dixie43
Wed Mar 28 2007, 09:29PM
dixie43 Registered Member #608 Joined: Wed Mar 28 2007, 12:01AM
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How long should my aluminum rails be, to shoot 5 to 10 feet and not waste any energy on extra resistance from rails that are too long.
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Ronnie
Wed Mar 28 2007, 10:42PM
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For lower energy levels, you can use silicon controlled rectifiers to switch power, search the forums and you'll find a few topics about them, and other ways you can improve efficiency, also make sure that your setup is safe - especially protect yourself from unexpected shrapnel from the circuitry, check the voltage on the capacitor bank before touching anything, etc, you can never be too careful.
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