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How can I etch dichroic glass?

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GreySoul
Sun Mar 25 2007, 03:39PM
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ok don't close the thread... I should have pics this evening if all goes well.

if things don't go well... can anyone suggest a resist material that this acid stuff wont disolve?

heh

=-Doug
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Sun Mar 25 2007, 07:44PM
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GreySoul
Mon Mar 26 2007, 04:01AM
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So... I don't have any pics worth taking, so no post today... as soon as i get to the dichro etching step I'll post.

today i spent researching resist materials. pertty much anything that will adhere to the glass will work. I tried:

Sharpie pen - worked
CA glue - worked
Elmers (PVA) glue - worked
scotch tape / PSA vinyl - worked
acrylic paint - worked
melted wax - worked (bees, parafin)
Screenprinting / fabric ink - worked

things that did NOT work:

China marker
grease pencil
wax crayon or any wax not melted to the glass
gum arabic
#1 litho crayon


things I've yet to try:

Imagon film
ulano Diazo emulsion
india ink
toner (fused)
oil paint


- I'm mostly interested in screenprinting these, or some form of positive working UV resist film, so I think I have what I need.

I ran my tests on 6" sheets of clear glass, (Bullseye Tekta 10mm clear) and while I can see the etch, it's VERY hard to photograph, and my scanner doesn't pick it up either.


Still.... this project is a go! pics soon

-Doug
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Looks like I am a little too late, but I would like to add that the laser to etch that stuff actually wouldn't be all that expensive suprised A simply ssy-1 laser off ebay (~$100) and a little PFN (~$50) and you would be able to etch anything that absorbs 1064nm. Since it is q-switched you get incredibly high peak powers (several megawatts) which can ablate just about anything, and it loves to eat optical coatings.

I think this would have been a perfect job for the cnc obliterator

Or, not having the stages laying around you could create temporary masks by printing on a OH transparency, and using that as a mask. You might have to but the toner side up (as it will explode when you fire at it), but since you are using a nice colminated beam from the laser it wouldn't really matter.

hehe, take your pick, you can play with nasty chemicals or bigass lasers tongue

[on topic]
As to taking pics of it, can't you just take a pic of the shadow cast by in (in sunlight)?
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GreySoul
Tue Mar 27 2007, 04:13AM
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mmm the shadow yes, good point.

Also, I'm in the process of making a CO2 laser - it's a long term project. one thing I had in mind was making a nice little xy table to burn dichro... but it's a ways off. I still have to make my tube and get it evacuated and filled (something I'm capable of doing, but too lazy to get around to it)


Still.... this printing and etching is fun :)

I coated a glass sheet today with photo emulsion, but it took too long to dry and had to leave the shop. I'll see if I can work on it tomarrow.

.... I think I'll wind up screening resist on. The film is higer res but not as cheap.

-Doug
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