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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Mar 18 2007, 02:09PM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I have been experimenting with single MOSFET flyback driver (tl494+mosfet). I could get about 30kv from a small flyback with frequency below 15khz. That was nice, but my ears did really hurt from the horrible whistling sound. When I upped the frequency above audible range, the output voltage decreased (logically). I wanted it to be the same as previously, so I removed some turns from the primary in hope to increase the output voltage. However, whatever I did (vary duty cycle, change primary turns), I did not bring the output voltage even close to as with lower frequency. So the question is, WHY I cannot get so high voltage with higher frequency? Is there something I can do to increase the voltage (change core airgap maybe?)
thanks, J.M.
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Myke
Sun Mar 18 2007, 03:04PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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Probibly the flyback's resonant freq was near 15KHz so when you increased the freq then it went out of resononce. Yeah making the airgap larger in the flyback core will decrease the inductance thus raising the resonant freq.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Mar 18 2007, 06:28PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Wow, I'm now getting maybe 50kv from a small poor ac flyback! suprised What I did was to increase the airgap maybe 3 times and I also put a resonant capacitor on the primary, it's resonating above audible range, but the problem is now that whenewer I connect anything to the output, it drifts out of resonance and the voltage drops.

Has anyone have an idea how to make this circuit self-resonant? Feedback winding? Secondary return feedback? Antenna? I seem now to have a Tesla coil-like problems cheesey
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uzzors2k
Sun Mar 18 2007, 08:22PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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Nice, I didn't know that about the air gap, I'll have to try it sometime.

Concerning making the circuit self-resonant, I made this on Friday. Its not done yet, as there is still an issue with the high side mosfet floating, but the concept should work. It is supposed to act like a SGTC, except solid state. When circuit starts the top mosfet will conduct until capacitor C is full, at which point it will close and the bottom mosfet will open. That allows the LC oscillation to go, which the flyback primary being L. When capacitor C voltage sinks to a certain point, the process repeats itself. Or at least that is what I meant for it to do.
1174249336 95 FT22183 Resonance Drive Self Oscillating Uzzors
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Sulaiman
Mon Mar 19 2007, 08:06AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Although I realise it's a conceptual design, there are a few things I notice about the proposed circuit;

1) The diode is unneccessary and will cause the upper mosfet to be on much longer than the lower mosfet

2) The operating voltage for this circuit cannot exceed the Vgs rating of the mosfets

3) The lower mosfet will turn off so slowly (no pull-down resistor) that both mosfets will be on at the same time.

4) Worst of all, BOTH bjts will be on all the time!
Current will flow from +supply via E-B of the pnp to B-E of the npn to 0v.
Not good cry

Other than the above it should be OK cheesey
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Ambar
Mon Mar 19 2007, 03:51PM
Ambar Registered Member #549 Joined: Sun Feb 25 2007, 02:49AM
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In ZVS Driver, how much bigger number it of turns in the primario of flyback, and greater the value of the capacitor, greater goes to be the chain and lesser it goes to be the frequency in output high-voltage?
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