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jameselectric
Sun Feb 18 2007, 07:22AM Print
jameselectric Registered Member #535 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 06:03AM
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hello,

This is my first post. I have had excellant results with my nst tesla coil. I now have in my posession 4 mots that I want to wire for 240. Does anyone have a schematic or explanation on how to do this?

Thanks for any help sincerely,
James
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sparky
Sun Feb 18 2007, 08:01AM
sparky Registered Member #530 Joined: Sat Feb 17 2007, 07:56AM
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Hey no problem I can tell you how to do this painlessly. Each set of MOTs - series the primaries for each pair and simply run 240V through them. ---in other words link two leads of the secondary together and pass 240V through the free leads on either end- You will need 30A 240V MINIMUM just to run a power supply of this size!

amazed
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Sam
Sun Feb 18 2007, 08:34AM
Sam Registered Member #227 Joined: Mon Feb 20 2006, 10:47PM
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make sure You know exactly what You are doing, and dont ever go near the mots without main power unpluged, not just turned off...

It's not nice to loose an $200 rms voltmeter just because of a switch, it could have been me, but it wasn't. I'm way safer now.
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jameselectric
Sun Feb 18 2007, 08:38AM
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sorry i drew a pic but it didn't load. So let me get this. i wire the mots in pairs. for each pair i wire the primaries in series. On the high volatge side i wire the 2 hv leads together. do i float the neutrals or tie them to the mains ground. I have lost two meters honeslty lol.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Mon Feb 19 2007, 12:18AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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I always get a little apprehensive when someone asks how to hook up a bunch of MOT's and someone replys with an answer, but fails to consider the insulation class of the transformer.
Yea I know people have done it before, putting 4kv worth of stress through a 2kv nominal coil, but its just dangerous!

If you are doing this at your house, and you have a dryer socket, you have a neutral, the black hot, and the red hot, giving you 120 in 2 phases.

So here's the 'Smart' way to do it. Both core ground returns are connected to neutral so each core never has more then the appropriate level of potential on them. Then each primary winding still gets 120, and both are out of phase by 180, giving you 4KV midpoint grounded and the MOT's are happy.
If you want more current then just add your two more MOT's in with paralleled HV lines.
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Sam
Mon Feb 19 2007, 12:22AM
Sam Registered Member #227 Joined: Mon Feb 20 2006, 10:47PM
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this is interestingly smart. Does anyone feel like making a picture for the people who are visual like me?

I may try this..
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Mon Feb 19 2007, 06:29AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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I forgot that since the RED line is already 180 out of phase with the BLACK, there really is no need to switch the phasing. Now if you needed the phase reversed and only had the BLACK, THEN you would reverse the connections on the transformer to get your reverse phase.
1171866589 135 FT20884 4mot
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jameselectric
Tue Feb 20 2007, 05:10AM
jameselectric Registered Member #535 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 06:03AM
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okay ,

I have wired the 4 mot's together. I now realize the limitations of beer caps as i need about 50nf instead of the 13nf i used with my nst driven coil. I also want to build a voltage doubler on the hv outputs.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Tue Feb 20 2007, 05:45AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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Remember to double check your phases before power up. If your phases are wrong, you might blow out the transformers. Fuse each primary hot as a safety.
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jameselectric
Wed Feb 21 2007, 08:34AM
jameselectric Registered Member #535 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 06:03AM
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anyone have an idea where to buy, get or make a cap bank with the vaules of 50 nf maybe more. 50 beer bottles is just too ridiculous!!! lol suprised
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