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Alex

Mon Feb 12 2007, 02:22AM

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Argggâ€¦ Iâ€™ve already said too much

On the contrary, you have written a lot but said very little. This is a scientific community, it is a place for sharing knowledge. Secrecy and patents have no place here.

So far, you have rambled about several projects in the realm of pseudoscience, and have provided very little data. You need to stop asking questions and fill us in. If there is any worthy science in what you're doing, perhaps people will start taking you seriously.

Mon Feb 12 2007, 08:27AM

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Alex:

I must have missed your new rule about there being no room for patentable topics on this site, where might I find your new rule? Kidding aside, you might be right, I may have already said too much. Someone who's taken the time to actually grasp the concepts I've mentioned (which include concepts Tesla pioneered, earth being a conductor of electricity, sound familar?) could figure out what's in my 3rd patent application. My mistake for not being willing to make public domain, display schematics, and fully disclose the technology that I've spent years and lots of money to develop before my patent issues, pretty selfish of me actually. Bad CM, bad CM. (Note to self: According to Alex, don't mention any projects I'm working on unless I'm willing to disclose the trade secrets and patentable aspects of it). Experience shows that its the established intellectal status quo (and often times religious communities) that sometimes resist advances in technology and forward thinking, at first. I've witnessed it all over the world including from EE's that have worked for me, the intellectual statu quo who supposively champion free thinking are all too often the very ones who resist progress by insisting certain things simply can't be done... until someone else does them. Mark Twain said "The fellow with the new idea is always a crank... until he succeeds". CM

Steve Conner

Mon Feb 12 2007, 10:52AM

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Well, let's see you succeed, then. Sure, you've proved that you can harvest atmospheric electricity, but that was known since the days of Ben Franklin. What you haven't done is prove that you can harvest it in useful quantities. Like a previous poster said, you have a $100k contraption the size of a football field that can light a LED. If I wanted to light an LED with renewable energy, I'd go and buy a $20 hobby solar cell from Radio Shack and put it on the window sill.

So by all means report on your progress, but please don't claim to have solved the world's energy problems, unless you have a 100 kilowatt prototype to show us. I mean, you can buy 2 megawatt wind turbines off the shelf, and people who advocate wind power are still dismissed as cranks. Everyone laughed at the Wright brothers until the plane actually got off the ground carrying a useful payload.

BTW, this article

says the total worldwide potential of atmospheric electricity is around 200kV at 1000A. So 200 megawatts. Also see Wikipedia on atmospheric electricity:

The biggest claim of atmospheric electricity harvesting I could find was several kilowatts, by Hermann Plauson in the 1920s. But I don't believe it.

Marko

Mon Feb 12 2007, 02:10PM

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BTW, this article says the total worldwide potential of atmospheric electricity is around 200kV at 1000A. So 200 megawatts. Also see Wikipedia on atmospheric electricity..

I'm not sure what this applies to, since this information simply contradicts the fact that approximate continuous power generated just by lightning seems to go in gigawatt range.
Most articles seem to circle the number of lightning strikes to earth per second to 90..100:

Considering average energy of each lightning, 500 megajoules, it's already 50 Gigawatts of power.

But, even an order of magnitude more power wouldn't be a lot of use considering 174.0 petawatts received by earth from sun.. wich still doesn't seem good enough to make us use solar cells

Alex

Mon Feb 12 2007, 02:16PM

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CM wrote ...

I must have missed your new rule about there being no room for patentable topics on this site, where might I find your new rule?

There's no rule against it, you'll just find that everyone laughs at you when you post a picture of a glowing LED and say you spent $100k to do it. Your claims of patents and trade secrets are no replacement for true science, and judging by your previous posts, there's none to be found in your work anyway.

I'm locking this thread before it degrades any further. In the meantime, you might find this site to be geared more toward your interests.

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