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LAN_403

Sun Feb 11 2007, 04:54PM

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Just for grins, I'm posting a pic of a bank of 6 super capacitors that were charged exclusively by my patent pending HV ion collectors which are driving a jumbo LED, but can also drive small motors and fuel cells. In my humble opinion, after years of experimenting with solar, wind, wave, earth batteries, differential engines, etc, and other alternative energy ideas, ionic energy harvested from the air is a truely environmentally friendly energy source and is perpetually renewed by Mother nature, day and night, good weather or bad weather and should work anywhere in the world. I've dumped about US$100,000. into this HV collector R&D from my own back pocket in order to prove to myself that theory is now fact. Soon, I'll be open to taking on outside investment to further the refinement of my collector efficiency, private investors or maybe conduct an IPO. My HV ion collector technology is not at the level of being able to replace oil and gas (yet), but this is the work on only one man so far... with the assistance of qualified engineers and physicists to impliment my ideas for improvement, I am confident ionic energy will become one of the front runners in energy production of the future as well on other planets (Mars has much greater ion density than earth). CM

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Sun Feb 11 2007, 05:12PM

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I don't want to offend anyone or anything, but I would say that having charged up a few J worth of capacitors from that huge collector system isn't all that huge of an achievement. I mean I have 2" square solar cells that put out 1w under normal sun... (although those are space grade surplus, but in general solar panels are $5/watt)

I would say that your biggest problem is that there is 1kw/m^2 of energy from the sun, but the amount of energy available from ionic fields is order(s) of magnitude less.

But then again, a lot of nasty chemicals go into building solar cells (it seems weird that no one ever brings that up)...
Although I can see a new 'end of the world' movie where we all are using atmospheric charge collectors and throw off some balance between the atmosphere and like totally screw with the weather. Sure it probably won't happen, but no one would have guessed burning this black goo we dug out of the ground would screw us over either.

Sun Feb 11 2007, 05:24PM

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Orville, quit messing around with that gasoline engine and glider, it won't amount to anything! Your brother Wilber.

Steve Conner

Sun Feb 11 2007, 05:55PM

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The total potential of atmospheric electricity, including all lightning worldwide, is estimated to be about 500 megawatts. The world's electricity consumption is a couple of million megawatts.

I forget the source. But that means you'll never solve the world's energy problems, even if you harvested all atmospheric electricity with 100% efficiency, and are starting to court pseudoscience if you claim to do so.

If you want to be taken seriously (by me at least) I challenge you to find us some evidence disclaiming the 500 megawatt figure by several orders of magnitude.

Marko

Sun Feb 11 2007, 06:14PM

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with the assistance of qualified engineers and phyisists to impliment my ideas for improvement, I am confident ionic energy will become one of the front runners in energy production of the future as well on other planets (Mars has much greater ion density than earth). CM

The very simple and fundamental problm is, that there isn't closely enough atmospheric electricity on entire earth at time to produce usefully large amounts of power.

The total potential of atmospheric electricity, including all lightning worldwide, is estimated to be about 500 megawatts. The world's electricity consumption is a couple of million megawatts.

Lightning strikes occur about 100 imes per second, and considering average energy of 500 megajoules this gives 50GW of power just from lightning.

Some other sources estimate total available atmospheric electricity even in terawatt range, wich is probably exagerrated, but it's still very puny amount of power, considering poor efficiency of collectors and humanity's power appetites. Entire earth covered with most efficient possible collectors would probably produce as much power as a dozen of bigger nuclear plants.

Other thing about this idea, is that it resembles building a rube goldberg machine.

All electricity in lower atmosphere is produced by movement of air itself. Some wind turbines would perform many orders of magnitude better.

And even the most direct way, solar cells (1kW per square meter!) still aren't considered efficient enough to be useful.

So, no matter how fun they are, such atmospheric collectors aren't going to provide free energy to the world any time soon.

Eric

Sun Feb 11 2007, 07:22PM

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Who knows, they may find some niche applications. As others have pointed out the big drawback for most applications is that it is such a low density source. You need a lot of area to obtain a small amount of power. I wish you'd spent that $100K on some kind of solar devices... humanity is going to need them soon.

Hazmatt_(The Underdog)

Sun Feb 11 2007, 08:40PM

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Don't worry about the solar stuff, I'm playing with it right now.

ShawnLG

Sun Feb 11 2007, 09:30PM

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You spent $100k on a device that only would put out minisule power. Wow, a $100k power source to light up an LED. That's brilliant! You should of invested that money and go to college and study some physics and electronic courses. Then you would see that ion collection is not a plentful source for energy. You would then use your gained knowlage from college to do some research that would have real solution to our energy crisis.

Some examples of research:

Solar cells approaching 100% efficiency.
Organic solar cells which are safe for the environment.
Any other means of efficiently harvesting the energy directly from the sun's rays.

On the contrary. Some research can be put into using less energy such as:

Light weight aerodinamic vehicals.
Bright efficient LED light bulbs.
Better insolating materials for homes and buildings. Aerogel has excellent insulating qualities.
Geothermal heating and cooling systems.

Mon Feb 12 2007, 12:50AM

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What? A clean energy source that works around the clock anywhere in the world, day and night, in good and bad weather??? Heresy! Call out the conformity police and burn him at the stake! Hehheh, just a bit of jesting to lighten the mood. Thereâ€™s nothing to get upset about fellas. Progress sometimes happens when we intentionally (or otherwise) ignore the status quo that tell us what things are, and arenâ€™t possible. Been doing it all my adult life. As a young man in the 80â€™s I was heckled by financiers (yes, respected bankers in suits and ties) when I told them that I was developing a professional wireless microphone for entertainers with no cord and no visible antenna. They more or less told me I was nuts saying â€œwhoâ€™s gonna pay $1500 per microphone just to get rid of the cord?â€. Maybe I was a bit nuts, but after my 1st patent issued, I opened manufacturing in the USA, then Europe and China and sold US$20,000,000. worth of my nutty idea in over 90 countries. Nowadays, all the major audio companies have followed suit. No doubt youâ€™ve seen my wireless mic on TV as well as my other unrelated products Iâ€™ve developed and manufactured, sold through WalMart, Sears, Disney, Spencer Gifts to name a few. I like tinkering with new technologies and products, keeps me out of trouble. Okay, enough of my bloviating. Facts areâ€¦ I have a system operating right now around the clock that proves ionic energy can be harvested and used to produce hydrogen. A patent application was filed in 2006 and Iâ€™m waiting for Washington and then PCT to let me know itâ€™s approved worldwide (think good thoughts for me please) before spending the real money to hire the EEâ€™s and physicists to refine what Iâ€™ve done. My existing circuit is collecting only a small fraction of the EM and electrical power from each spark, there is tons of room for efficiency improvement to be made by talented pros. Concerning the total energy guestimate provided by some authorities for the total atmospheric ions, I wonder if they remembered to include the plentiful source under our feet? Yup, my system also collects electrical energy when the potential of the earth becomes stronger than the potential of my HV collectors. Those who go strictly by the atmospheric energy estimates are missing a piece of the puzzle, thereâ€™s more to this than just atmospheric energy, the earth itself can be construed to be eminatating energy when it goes to a greater potential than my HV collectors, my system also collects in that mode too. Argggâ€¦ Iâ€™ve already said too much, I can hear my patent attorney snapping his pencil from here. In summary, what possible good could be realized from a pollution free technology that harvests a never ending supply of ions to produce hydrogen? Or from a system that could provide electrical power for Martian colonies in the ion dense Martian atmosphere? Geee, I dunno, but maybe someone will think itâ€™s useful someday, meanwhile, Iâ€™ve had lots of fun developing it.

Hazmatt_(The Underdog)

Mon Feb 12 2007, 01:58AM

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Free energy...Mars.... sounds like CM wants to be the modern Tesla to me.

I wish you luck.

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