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Russ Edmonds
Tue Mar 31 2020, 04:20PM Print
Russ Edmonds Registered Member #46264 Joined: Sun May 11 2014, 05:27PM
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
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Three microcuries of Am-241 were placed in a aluminum pie tin.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dzVURrYAs8ds6R7optHK_b_pA6-rNRf5/view?usp=sharing

The pie tin was then suspended 2.7 meters in the air by a fishing pole. The pie tin was insulated from ground by the nylon fishing line. A wire connection was hung from the pie tin to the top terminal of a gold leaf electroscope. The outer case of the electroscope was connected to Earth ground.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uqsbaS0AHODgpoTde8otFWUjjQ21BesG/view?usp=sharing

The first reading was at 11:43 am MST and based on the gold leaf deflection, represents a voltage of about 100 volts giving a field strength of 37 volts per meter.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C4KJHLXDxAo84K4AS5-K079yjZiCSSmO/view?usp=sharing

The next reading was at 1:10 pm MST and represents a voltage of about 225 volts giving a field strength of 83 volts per meter. This was the highest reading I got. Strong winds made me stop the experiment.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19a6jAXtE57fov7jCmLM1M-y9lDYSSp6J/view?usp=sharing

These field values seen low and this might be due to my backyard being in a depression with the terrain sloping up on two sides. I might try doing this experiment in my front yard were the terrain slopes down on two sides. If the neighbors see this however they'll probably think I'm a nut job.
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Sulaiman
Tue Mar 31 2020, 05:15PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
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What is the purpose of the Am ?

Were you measuring the voltage caused by the Am emitting alpha particles, (dV=dQ/C)
or the natural atmospheric voltage gradient ?

I guess that wind/air movement could also contribute to charge transfer hence voltage changes ?
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Russ Edmonds
Tue Mar 31 2020, 06:14PM
Russ Edmonds Registered Member #46264 Joined: Sun May 11 2014, 05:27PM
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 61
The pie tin is being used as a voltage probe for the fair weather electric field. The ionization caused by the Am-241 speeds up the probe reaching the same potential as the air around it. The fair weather electric field is generally positive pointing down towards the Earth. Conductive objects at ground potential exposed to this field actually have a net negative charge on their surface to counteract this field. The pie tin is initially at ground potential and so has a net negative charge. Positive air ions are attracted toward the pie tin and start to neutralize its negative charge. This process continues until the pie tin reaches the same local potential as the air around it at which point no net charge is being exchanged.

Air movement can effect the local potential for example if the air contains charged dust or water droplets.
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