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Patrick
Fri Feb 21 2020, 02:30AM Print
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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Hello again,

I have a magnetic sensor that prefers 30 to 70mT.

I'm trying to figure out an approximation for this since I'm using a 0.020" thin flexible magnet sheet. ill use two ultra-thin foils of steel to tighten the field since I need it to be a narrow long linear field. The plates will be north and south, not across as if it were a 'keeper'.

So, the question is:
can I adjust the height and width (cant change thickness) to increase or decrease strength ?
And is there a device or method I can build to measure strength ?
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klugesmith
Sat Feb 22 2020, 03:01AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
Location: Los Altos, California
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OK, only took 6 tries to get the captcha.

First you need to consider the way magnetic poles are placed on the flexible magnet sheet.
On the back side (that sticks to refrigerator door) are parallel stripes alternating North and South poles.
Simple way to check this, and determine the pole spacing:

Stick two magnets together face to face, and gently slide one with respect to the other.
If the magnet stripes are at right angles to each other, the sliding friction is pretty smooth in all directions of motion.
If the magnet stripes are parallel, then sliding in that direction is smooth. Sliding perpendicular to the stripes you will feel a cogging effect, for reasons that should be obvious.

Next step is to determine the strength. Flux density is highest when magnet sheet is stuck on a steel surface that's not too thin. If you can't get a figure in gausses or teslas from the Internet, we can figure it out from basic principles. For example, measure (or look up) the lifting strength per square inch when magnet is kept flat and the force is perpendicular to the interface plane.
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Sulaiman
Sat Feb 22 2020, 07:00AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
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I use a 3-pin Hall sensor AH3503 to measure up to +/- 90mT.

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I use an analog circuit based on a 100 - 0 - 100 uA moving coil meter for 100 - 0 - 100 mT using battery, resistors and two potentiometers (zero offset and gain), no electronics required.
An analogue meter seems better suited to visualising a magnetic field than a digital display.
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Calibration is not easy as making a known flux density reference field is non-trivial;

Helmholtz coils seemed too much of a project,

nickel saturates with a fairly flat B-H curve to give a maximum flux density of close to 500mT Link2
so used in a magnetic circuit it can be used to create a fairly well defined magnetic field strength,

two magnets can be used to create a moderately accurate flux density Link2
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something I've considered but not tried;

A two-pin led with bi-polar leds (e.g. red and green) attached to the probe and driven by the meter circuitry would give a rough visual indication of field strength and polarity.

Carefully moving/scanning the probe around, in the dark,
should produce an image of the magnetic field in a camera with long time exposure settings.
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Patrick
Wed Feb 26 2020, 03:59AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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I didn't realize the flexible sheet was polarized like a Halbach array.

That pretty much means I need to go back to neodymium magnets. I just need to grind a round magnet side flat i geuss.
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