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How to measure voltage output of AC flyback transformer

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father dest
Mon Oct 14 2019, 06:47PM
father dest Registered Member #54795 Joined: Mon Apr 06 2015, 11:55AM
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MRMILSTAR wrote ...

I had thought of using my oscilloscope with a suitable HV probe to measure the voltage but it makes me nervous connecting my oscilloscope to a flyback output because I don't really know what the maximum voltage is and I may guess wrong on the probe maximum voltage capability.

but this one is very easy - wind your own primary with say 30 turns, connect function (sin) gen to the secondary, measure transformation coefficient on something like around 2-5 khz, you will get number about 50 i think. then on every volt of primary drive you will get around 50 v from the secondary, less actually.
there's no need to apply full 150/300 v to the primary - apply 10, then measure and calculate what you will get at the full drive.
coz when driven right a transformer is a linear device.
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MRMILSTAR
Mon Oct 14 2019, 07:10PM
MRMILSTAR Registered Member #62119 Joined: Sun Feb 04 2018, 04:59AM
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father dest wrote ...

MRMILSTAR wrote ...

I had thought of using my oscilloscope with a suitable HV probe to measure the voltage but it makes me nervous connecting my oscilloscope to a flyback output because I don't really know what the maximum voltage is and I may guess wrong on the probe maximum voltage capability.

but this one is very easy - wind your own primary with say 30 turns, connect function (sin) gen to the secondary, measure transformation coefficient on something like around 2-5 khz, you will get number about 50 i think. then on every volt of primary drive you will get around 50 v from the secondary, less actually.
there's no need to apply full 150/300 v to the primary - apply 10, then measure and calculate what you will get at the full drive.
coz when driven right a transformer is a linear device.

I like the sound of this measurement technique. I will try this method. Thanks.
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Patrick
Mon Oct 14 2019, 09:36PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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dont try to figure out an "effective" turns ratio. thats not how flybacks or ignition coils work. their output is wildly dependent on frequency, duration and rise fall times of a given pulse.

Do you really need a waveform ? or just need to know more about the feeding spark gap breakdown conditions ?

I think the better thing to do in your case is to by a USB oscilloscope and connect a few CW stages then use a voltage divider to divide down to a conventional o-scope probe. Once you have pulsing DC even at a high frequency, lowering the magnitude of change (Cap ripple) the HV DC can be read from a well made temporary voltage divider.

hardest and worst is to measure Square wave AC with huge rates of rise and fall, huge magnitude in V and high impedance with low burden current. Step away from one or more of these factors and measurement gets alot easier.
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