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Pulling a vacuum on potting compoud

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Patrick
Thu May 02 2019, 06:57AM Print
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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my 2 part silicone has a viscosity greater than honey but much less than peanut butter.

does a vacuum decrease the effective viscosity such that it can flow into tiny voids ? nad in between 36 awg wire windings?

see here: Link2

and : Link2
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klugesmith
Thu May 02 2019, 02:52PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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No. Not that I've potted any windings myself, or watched it done.
Vacuuming the mixing pot can get rid of most tiny bubbles.
Vacuuming the potting pot won't affect resin viscosity, surface tension, or wire-wetting properties. It can prevent tiny bubbles from forming as resin soaks into the windings, if resin is poured in a vacuum.

Best way to reduce the viscosity is to heat the resin, and deal with the reduction in working time.

Why is important for resin to penetrate coils of fine wire, except to improve tolerance to vibration?
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Sulaiman
Thu May 02 2019, 04:03PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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I think that the viscosity would not change,
but the lack of air may prevent the forming of a skin on the potting compound as it penetrates voids, stopping due to surface tension.

I'd probably give the coil a few dips in polyurethane varnish or similar, with drying after each dip.
Clean up excess polyurethane then pot the assembly as required.
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Patrick
Thu May 02 2019, 05:01PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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klugesmith wrote ...

Why is important for resin to penetrate coils of fine wire, except to improve tolerance to vibration?
Doesnt corona kill insulation ? isnt potting used by flyback makers in TV's ?

Link2 material seen here.


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2Spoons
Thu May 02 2019, 09:44PM
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Yes, but for potting transformers one would usually use something really runny if you want winding penetration.
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Patrick
Fri May 03 2019, 04:35PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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ok ill use thin epoxy, then ive just about finished my vacuum/pressure vessel.
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Avalanche
Sun May 05 2019, 11:04AM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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'Vacuum impregnation' is certainly a thing in the industry, I've seen it done with electric motor stators but with much thicker wire.
For fine wire I guess you'd need to use some type of varnish with a viscosity more like water.
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2Spoons
Mon May 06 2019, 12:17AM
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Ideally you'd use a heat set epoxy - pull vacuum, add epoxy, release vacuum, wait a day or two for full penetration, then bake.
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hen918
Tue Jun 11 2019, 07:55PM
hen918 Registered Member #11591 Joined: Wed Mar 20 2013, 08:20PM
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I have had a lot of good experience with this Link2 for waterproofing electronics. The breakdown voltage isn't too bad either, and the viscosity is on par with water, and the lowest I could find for an OK price, it's pretty cheap and easy to find. It has a nice hard-rubber consistency after curing, but will crumble if heated with a hot-air gun.
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