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LED light problem, need some input.

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Patrick
Wed Apr 24 2019, 06:04PM Print
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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i have a great LED light that really keeps me working through the night. really punches that circadian rhythm in the gut too.

but i got the sudden flicker of death like with the florescents'. Sure enough the LEDs were fine but the driver was near death. So thinking quickly when the driver was cold and working i measured the output in parallel with the LED strip, it was 30-33 volts when steady.

The driver put out 33 volts on the label, and was rated for 10 watts, the whole fixture would get hot too.

NOW, i bought a 34 watt mean well PS. it puts out 33 volts at 1050 mA constant current.
it lights up just fine, but the LEDs on the board get hot quick, im not sure if thats normal.

ill post a pic here:

the question: is that 1050 mA CC 3 times the needed current ? (10 watts vs 30 watts.)
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Patrick
Wed Apr 24 2019, 06:20PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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ok ill try to put the pic here : Link2
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johnf
Wed Apr 24 2019, 07:23PM
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Yes that is too much current
LEDs are current driven so you are over doing it by 3X
there is little difference in forward voltage drop between 10watts and 30 watts input
you need a menawell 10 watt driver
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Patrick
Thu Apr 25 2019, 02:13AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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i was afraid of that. but this cheap original no-name-chinese one quit due to heat, im sure.

so can i use a 1/3 on 2/3 off duty cycle at 40 kHz ? or will that cause voltage spikes ?
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2Spoons
Thu Apr 25 2019, 06:39AM
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No, what you want is a CC LED driver capable of up to 35V. You do not want a fixed voltage. There are loads available from china.
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Patrick
Thu Apr 25 2019, 04:32PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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I is confused.
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2Spoons
Fri Apr 26 2019, 05:40AM
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LED drivers are designed to put out a fixed, constant current, regardless of the load voltage. This is how LEDs in lamps like to be driven. They generally are not built with current limiting resistors, as these waste power. LED forward voltage doesn't vary much with current (around the normal operating point), conversely applying small change in voltage result in a large change in current (the V/I curve is very steep). The forward voltage does change considerably with temperature though - so for high power LEDs (>0.5W) a constant current supply is used. That way the LEDs wont get overfed, regardless of what their Vf is doing.
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2Spoons
Fri Apr 26 2019, 05:45AM
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Ah sorry, did not read your OP properly. I see you have a CC supply. You can probably mess with it to set the output current to an appropriate value. There will be a feedback resistor somewhere you can swap out for a higher value one - should be fairly obvious as it will be only a few ohms.
Switching the output on and off fast will probably make the supply unstable/unpredictable.
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Patrick
Fri Apr 26 2019, 05:37PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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i cut the meanwell open, unfortunately , being well made its totally potted in soft silicone. so finding and modifying a resistor is a dead end.
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Patrick
Sat Apr 27 2019, 03:44AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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ok the silicone separates quite easily. i see aa 0.05 ohm 1 watt resistor, i think thats it.

pic: Link2

i think i should put in a 0.15 ohm resistor? right ?
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