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Patrick
Wed Feb 06 2019, 06:45AM Print
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Is there a clever way, a circuit that can be attached to test a cored inductor, then connected to oscilloscope. Thus revealing a B-H curve ?
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Patrick
Wed Feb 06 2019, 06:54AM
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Perhaps this : Link2
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Sulaiman
Wed Feb 06 2019, 10:46AM
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or this ? Link2

H is represented simply by current
B is more difficult as it is represented by integral(voltage)
also, your test equipment has to be able to supply enough current to saturate the material,
for a closed loop with no airgap(s) usually not too difficult,
if there is an airgap then high current may be required.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sat Feb 09 2019, 03:29AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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I like that circuit Sulaiman posted, but the ramp generator will not work.
There is no signal feeding the current amplifier, so you will not get any drive signal.
I suspect the author meant to setup the PA as a class B amplifier with the 51 ohm resistors feeding 1N914 diodes, or some such arrangement for the final PA.

But as it stands, the ramp generator has a typo.
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Patrick
Sat Feb 09 2019, 05:13AM
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what i only need to know saturation current. like A-t, know the amps the number of turns and then the duration of each pulse. then every 3 seconds pulse 3 amps through 10 turns for 1mS and keep increasing the mS duration until the current isnt held back at all.

i guess i dont need the B-H graph just a saturation like plot on a scope.

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Paul Benham
Wed Mar 06 2019, 07:45PM
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If you know the core material, could you not just calculate it?

I guess if it is an EI core it is more difficult.

If you put it in your circuit and add a small seriies resistor you could scope the current and see if anything nasty is happening?

Paul
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2Spoons
Wed Mar 06 2019, 09:08PM
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog) wrote ...


There is no signal feeding the current amplifier, so you will not get any drive signal.


Actually there is : its being driven by monitoring the supply current of the opamps. Which seems a weird way to do it.

If all you want is Isat, apply a constant voltage and look for the knee in the current ramp.
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johnf
Thu Mar 07 2019, 06:58AM
johnf Registered Member #230 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 08:01PM
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Core saturation is easy to measure
pulse generator feeding a large fet, drain has inductor to +Vcc, source earthed through 0.1ohm resistor. Scope earth and drain for inductor volts scope channel 2 across the source resistor now you have saturation point vs current
what more do you need to know

oh number of turns of course then you get an idea of bMax
watch slope with scope trigger set when voltage suddenly gets kink going more vertical you have found saturation point
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