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2Spoons
Thu Feb 07 2019, 01:50AM
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A quick search suggests higher frequencies will be better as you can achieve higher shear at lower amplitudes. I think that will be important for filling tiny spaces - maybe even go ultrasonic.
More power will always be better too. Do you have access to a sonar transducer? That would be capable of ~100W at 80kHz
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Patrick
Thu Feb 07 2019, 05:28AM
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2Spoons wrote ...

That would be capable of ~100W at 80kHz
i would have to burgle the Navy Research Lab to get one.


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2Spoons
Thu Feb 07 2019, 09:41PM
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It occurred to me an ultrasonic cleaner would be just as good - a cheap one would do.

And fyi, a lot of fish finders put out power in the 100W range - pulsed of course.
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Patrick
Sat Feb 09 2019, 06:48AM
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heres what im planning : Link2

i can add to it later.
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2Spoons
Sat Feb 09 2019, 08:58AM
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I'm not convinced curing under pressure is a good idea. You might end up permanently embedding stress in your encapsulant, making it more prone to cracking in the future. Or worse, you trap a bubble at 50psi, which will break things when you let the pressure go.
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Sulaiman
Sat Feb 09 2019, 09:57AM
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I too think that applying pressure during setting is not a good idea;
. as above, high pressure bubbles could be trapped in the silicone
. if the vacuum was adequate there should be no air pockets to form bubbles
. pressure vessel design is more difficult

After mixing your silicone and catalyst de-gas it before introducing to the vacuumed object to be potted.

Calculate/estimate the heat generated by each potted component as silicone rubber is an incredibly poor conductor of heat and local hotspots can destroy the rubber.
VERY frustrating to have your latest work of the art encapsulated in charred/bubbled silicone :(

This is the rubber that I bought for my diy solar panels, seems ok, no idea if still available, Link2


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Patrick
Sat Feb 09 2019, 07:31PM
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ok ill consider that. i still need a pressure vessel for other purposes.

Link2

Link2

i mostly worry about these tiny windings packed together tightly, and the honey like viscosity of the silicone. iggies and flybacks obviously do it well.

i have 24 minutes of low viscosity then after 30 minutes it gets noticeably thicker.
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2Spoons
Sat Feb 09 2019, 11:22PM
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Maybe try adding a thinner? Like Link2
It would not only lower viscosity, it also increases cure time - both of which would be an advantage for potting. It does reduce cured strength, but for potting I don't see that as a problem.
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Patrick
Sun Feb 10 2019, 03:17AM
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here is the piping.

Link2
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Conundrum
Sat Mar 07 2020, 09:11AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Useful tip: The blue cure glue sold under the brand "Xtreme UV" seems to have fair to good HV performance and I've tested it here.
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