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Chris Cristini
Sun Jan 20 2019, 07:48PM Print
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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If we could make Triodes with today's manufacturing techniques would they be worth anything other than Vttc?
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hen918
Sun Jan 20 2019, 10:11PM
hen918 Registered Member #11591 Joined: Wed Mar 20 2013, 08:20PM
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I'm not sure about triodes specifically, but vacuum tubes/valves are still used in large high power radio transmitters. For dealing with a few hundred kW in the MHz, they work pretty well.
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2Spoons
Mon Jan 21 2019, 07:46PM
2Spoons Registered Member #2939 Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 04:25AM
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There's a lot of love for vacuum tubes in the audio world.
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the_anomaly
Mon Jan 21 2019, 11:17PM
the_anomaly Registered Member #19 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 03:19PM
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What improvements would today's manufacturing techniques bring? Tube performance? Longevity? Cost to Manufacture? I second the audio group as a strong interest.
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Proud Mary
Wed Jan 23 2019, 11:57PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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The Russians continued producing new thermionic valve designs long after development had all but stopped in the West, which lead to the production of some excellent miniature and sub-miniature valves.

Thermionic valves are much more tolerant of EMP and radiation than semiconductors, and some Russian miniature valve data I have seen includes high G force operation, suggesting their use in missiles, but I am only speculating.

You can make yourself an excellent little triode super-regenerative radio receiver, with a sensitivity of a few microvolts, great fun and sensitive enough to pull in a good range of short wave and VHF signals.
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Chris Cristini
Thu Jan 24 2019, 03:33PM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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I was just thinking Tubes are much easier to develop something new/improve VS semicondors.

I mean just the simplicity is awesome maybe even try a different approach to Electron flow vs Heating elements. Maybe laser to heat a thin Metal plate at 2W vs 40ish? It could be like the IGBT where you have the robustness of a transistor and the ease of driving like a Mosfet.
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Chris Cristini
Sat Jan 26 2019, 04:41AM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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Sorry that was a tired post didn't make to much sense my question is basically can there be efficiency improvements? I did a bunch on research and its not promising. :)
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radiotech
Sat Jan 26 2019, 08:46AM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Vacuum tube development in the past advanced as a result of specific needs
that arose. For different and more efficient processes for manufacture, first describe
a need, and it will be met.

As to lasers heating thermionic cathodes, some vacuum tubes do not need heaters.
Their cathodes develop a space cloud when an ionized gas pulls electrons off and heats it.
An example is the 0Z4 tube, and 'instant start' fluorescent lamps.
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Conundrum
Sat Jan 26 2019, 03:24PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Wonder if it's possible to make a vacuum tube single chip computer? Using nano thermonics
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Proud Mary
Sun Jan 27 2019, 02:12PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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The Nuvistor series of triodes and tetrodes introduced by RCA in 1959 were metal and ceramic thermionic valves smaller than a thimble. They are excellent low noise performers (by valve standards) and the very small interelectrode spacing makes them good performers up into the UHF.
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