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MRMILSTAR
Sun Sept 30 2018, 08:13PM Print
MRMILSTAR Registered Member #62119 Joined: Sun Feb 04 2018, 04:59AM
Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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If I use batteries for my Marx generator power supply, is there any value to grounding the Marx generator since it will be completely isolated from the house power?
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Dr. Slack
Mon Oct 01 2018, 05:14AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
Location: UK St. Albans
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Grounding is a potential route to a solution. However, you haven't spelled out what you think the problem is.

Do you think it might not work, or be unsafe, or interfere with other equipment? When you tell us what you're worried about, we can tell you whether grounding might be part of the fix, and what else the fix needs.
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MRMILSTAR
Mon Oct 01 2018, 02:39PM
MRMILSTAR Registered Member #62119 Joined: Sun Feb 04 2018, 04:59AM
Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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When the Marx generator fires, I occasionally see arcing between the flyback transformer and the mozilli driver which powers it. The arcing usually seems to follow the leads that connect the mozilli driver to the flyback transformer. This was all occurring when I was using a laptop PC switching power supply. I am now going to try battery power to avoid any more potential HV spikes into my house power.

I am currently waiting for a battery to arrive so I haven't had a chance yet to try it with battery power. If the arcing still occurs, will grounding help reduce this?
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Sulaiman
Mon Oct 01 2018, 07:38PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
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There are several issues raised above to consider,
I'll give an answer to the original question but there are other more important issues going on regarding understanding of current paths.
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Imagine that you have a black box containing your batteries, inverters, Marx generator etc.
This box would have only two wires/terminals; Terminal1 and Terminal2.
This box would periodically output a very high voltage between the terminals,
each time the Marx generator fires.
For the sake of discussion, the output pulse causes
Terminal1 to become positive with respect to Terminal2.


Which is the 'live' or 'dangerous' terminal ?
Look below for answer
after thinking about it














The 'dangerous' terminal is the one that is not earthed
or more accurately, at a different potential to your effectively earthed body.
Even if you electrically insulate yourself from the earth it would still be dangerous
as your body capacitance would have to be charged and discharged each cycle .

e.g. You could connect one hand to Terminal1
and harmlessly watch little sparks jump into the air from Terminal2,
obviously if you let your other hand get too close to Terminal2 then you are in trouble.
But if the sparks from Terminal2 can connect to 'earth' then the current can flow
Terminal2 - electrical arc - ground - YOU - Terminal1
.... at the very least ... ouch !
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