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Enceladus
Mon Sept 17 2018, 03:03AM Print
Enceladus Registered Member #61428 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2017, 12:39PM
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Just a simple question that has just popped into my head that I've never seen discussed: Would the secondary side of a TC operate the same in a vacuum as it would in an atmosphere? What about if the top load were to contain a heater and be coated in a low work function substance? Would there be significant thermionic emission, and where would it begin and end? What would it look like and could it be used in things like ion thrusters or other space-based applications? I'm not too sure about any of the answers but I'd love to read anything from anyone who is.
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jpsmith123
Mon Sept 17 2018, 01:33PM
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Here's an example of a "Tesla coil" operating in a vacuum (the authors refer to it as a "coaxial spiral-line resonator"). This device uses an array of some kind of graphite field emission cathodes to produce multiple electron beams which are then brought out into the atmosphere through an array of thin foil windows.

Link2

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Justin
Mon Sept 17 2018, 08:32PM
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Link2

This is what comes to mind.
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Sulaiman
Tue Sept 18 2018, 07:27AM
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I've not tried so I'm guessing;

First look at Link2

If the TC is powered whilst pressure is reduced from atmospheric,
then you will get a result like in the video pointed to above (I like his videos)
If a hard vacuum is created before the TC is powered up then there should be no arcs.

As a TC is a.c. I don't know what would happen with the filament but I suspect rectification and most significantly ... x-ray generation.
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Conundrum
Sun Sept 23 2018, 08:43AM
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Yes, X-rays would be a risk.
Interesting idea though: what would happen to a piezoelectric transformer in a vacuum? Same sort of problem but if it were clean enough it couldn't arc over so would be ideal for certain applications.

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jpsmith123
Mon Sept 24 2018, 11:18AM
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Link2

Conundrum wrote ...

Yes, X-rays would be a risk.
Interesting idea though: what would happen to a piezoelectric transformer in a vacuum? Same sort of problem but if it were clean enough it couldn't arc over so would be ideal for certain applications.


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Conundrum
Sat Sept 29 2018, 05:03AM
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Fascinating link!
I really must try this one day if/when I get my vacuum 2 stage setup going again.
Wonder if it would work in helium (He) at low pressure but still not a vacuum?
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jpsmith123
Sat Sept 29 2018, 05:32PM
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Check these out too:

A patent: Link2

and

a thesis (download): Link2







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E.TexasTesla
Sat Oct 06 2018, 02:56AM
E.TexasTesla Registered Member #4362 Joined: Sat Jan 21 2012, 03:44AM
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Interesting post. I would like to add a question if you don't mind. Suppose you run a bipolar coil in a vac. chamber with a sealed partition between the two output terminals ? Would you see some type of plasma build up as the coil charged both sides of the partition ?
Like plates on a capacitor.
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nzoomed
Wed Oct 24 2018, 08:31PM
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Would it not simply become a giant X-ray machine sending X-rays out in all directions?
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