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the_anomaly
Mon Aug 13 2018, 05:22PM
the_anomaly Registered Member #19 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 03:19PM
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Well, at least according to your profile, you are located in the UK. In the US, acetylene is everywhere. Every auto shop has a torch setup. I have one although I don't keep tanks around unless I absolutely have a project due to safety fear.

When brazing HVAC connections, manufacturers put the valves near (~2") to the tubing connection such that you have to wrap the valve with a wet cloth and keep it wet so it doesn't burn during the brazing. The connections/tubing are made of brass/copper. So you have to get the joint 'hot' all the while heat is being wicked away by the high thermal conductivity of the metal. Time is of the essence, the less time you spend heating the joint the lower the chance of damaging the valves. This is an instance where it makes sense to use oxy-acetylene. That extra bump in temp gets the local joint hot before the valve is overheated. It can be done with oxy-propane too but its more difficult.

Conundrum, no matter what you do, follow manufacturers guidelines. Double check if the system you purchase has flashback arrestors.


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Conundrum
Mon Aug 13 2018, 07:41PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Thanks!

Will look into this.
HTSC = High temperature superconductors.
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Ash Small
Tue Aug 14 2018, 07:03PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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the_anomaly wrote ...

Well, at least according to your profile, you are located in the UK. In the US, acetylene is everywhere. Every auto shop has a torch setup. I have one although I don't keep tanks around unless I absolutely have a project due to safety fear.

When brazing HVAC connections, manufacturers put the valves near (~2") to the tubing connection such that you have to wrap the valve with a wet cloth and keep it wet so it doesn't burn during the brazing. The connections/tubing are made of brass/copper. So you have to get the joint 'hot' all the while heat is being wicked away by the high thermal conductivity of the metal. Time is of the essence, the less time you spend heating the joint the lower the chance of damaging the valves. This is an instance where it makes sense to use oxy-acetylene. That extra bump in temp gets the local joint hot before the valve is overheated. It can be done with oxy-propane too but its more difficult.

Conundrum, no matter what you do, follow manufacturers guidelines. Double check if the system you purchase has flashback arrestors.





I think a lot of places over here stopped using acetylene due to insurance reasons. Some places I'm sure still use it, but only if it justifies extra insurance, etc.
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