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jpsmith123
Tue Apr 12 2016, 04:37PM Print
jpsmith123 Registered Member #1321 Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 03:22AM
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Has anyone ever used any TDK UHV-series caps in an application where they were run at a significantly higher voltage than their rated voltage? And if so were there any problems?

As many papers on Marx generators that I've looked at, it was only recently that I realized that the company "Aplec" seems to be running their TDK ceramic caps at a significantly higher voltage that the spec.

For example, in the paper "A MODULAR COMPACT MARX GENERATOR DESIGN FOR THE GATLING MARX GENERATOR SYSTEM", a marx generator is described which uses TDK UHV-4A capacitors (30 kv, 940 pf) at a maximum charge voltage of 40 kv; a 33.3% over-voltage.

According to the authors: "The capacitors are rated at 30 kV, but have proven to operate thousands of shots at 40 kV without risk of failure."

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I can see that the pressurized gas inside the Marx generator would likely present flashover, but the other possible limiting effect might be low efficiency/high power dissipation. But then when I was researching that possibility, I came across the paper "Capacitor Evaluation for Compact HV Pulse Generation"

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And from this paper it seems like you would suffer a loss of efficiency, but even at a 50% over-voltage (1.5*Vr), the efficiency only drops to 93% (vs 99% @ Vr).

According to the TDK data sheet, these UHV-series caps will apparently withstand a 50% over-voltage for (60 seconds at least), while under oil, but I wonder if there's any general rule of thumb as to how high you can go in air with these caps before they flash over?

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Ash Small
Tue Apr 12 2016, 08:18PM
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It probably depends on other factors, humidity, etc.

These are over-rated, as are HV feedthroughs and a lot of other HV stuff, and 4HV'ers have been doing what we do, pushing things as far as we can.

Do you have one you can afford to 'sacrifice'?

Maybe it's time to do some good old fashioned 'experimenting' and see? wink
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jpsmith123
Tue Apr 12 2016, 11:01PM
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I guess if I want to know approximately where a UHV-12a cap will flash over in air, I'll have to do some of my own testing.

My main problem is that I have a rather small work area, and right now it's cluttered with other projects, e.g., a vacuum system I'm working on. But in the meantime I'd nevertheless like to be thinking about and simulating the HV pulser.
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