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omegalabs
Tue Nov 17 2015, 08:31PM Print
omegalabs Registered Member #1521 Joined: Thu Jun 05 2008, 10:46AM
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I came across these chinese "resonant" capacitors, they look really promising plus the price is ok too. They made them as GTO snubbers, and primary capacitors for induction heaters and tesla coils.
I wonder if anyone has any experience with this company or these capacitors?
GTO cap
HV cap
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jpsmith123
Wed Nov 18 2015, 02:36AM
jpsmith123 Registered Member #1321 Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 03:22AM
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It's too bad they're not forthcoming with the specs. It would be nice to know things like peak and rms current capability, dv/dt, inductance, etc.
Maybe you could ask the seller for a spec. sheet.
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omegalabs
Wed Nov 18 2015, 06:14AM
omegalabs Registered Member #1521 Joined: Thu Jun 05 2008, 10:46AM
Location: Hungary
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There are specs there in the second link.
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jpsmith123
Thu Nov 19 2015, 12:44AM
jpsmith123 Registered Member #1321 Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 03:22AM
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All it says is "high pulse current, high dv/dt", but it unfortunately doesn't give any numbers, as far as I can see.

Maybe I'm spoiled by looking at published data sheets for CDE capcitors, for example, but I don't know how they can recommend these caps for applications such as induction heaters, and not give any numbers.
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omegalabs
Thu Nov 19 2015, 08:03PM
omegalabs Registered Member #1521 Joined: Thu Jun 05 2008, 10:46AM
Location: Hungary
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There are only basic paremeters:
Self-healing polypropylene dielectric
8kV AC
200nF
60A
tg delta <5x10^-4
Test voltage: 1,5 Ur (DC) 10s
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Finn Hammer
Fri Nov 20 2015, 09:25AM
Finn Hammer Registered Member #205 Joined: Sat Feb 18 2006, 11:59AM
Location: Skørping, Denmark
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Balint,

Back in the day of MMC pionering, we would buy the caps and run them at destructive stress levels, adding caps to a string untill they stopped failing within a reasonable timeframe.
I recall making an experiment like this starting with one cap, which lasted 20 sec. Two strings with two caps in series lasted just over 2 minutes, 3 strings with 3 caps in series lasted in excess of 15 minutes.
I don´t recall just how long the 4x4 combo lasted, but the 5x5 combo is still in use on a daily basis, more than 10 years after it was put into service.

I do realize that the caps I used (56nF @1600V) were cheaper and better suited sizewise for an experiment like this, but just want to point out that it can be satisfying to take the lead, create news and publish them.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Fri Nov 20 2015, 05:18PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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HEHEHEH..

The whole construction of this thing is flammable and will produce nasty black smoke from the resin burning when it fails, they should be spectacular when they go!

I like the real doorknobs, haven't had one fail yet. Why pay for an experiment and have to buy capacitors twice, when you can spend once and get caps that are indestructible?
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omegalabs
Fri Nov 20 2015, 06:56PM
omegalabs Registered Member #1521 Joined: Thu Jun 05 2008, 10:46AM
Location: Hungary
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I use ceramic doorknob capacitors (2,2nF 20kVAC) on my small NST powered TC, but they aren't the best on higher currents.
Right now my 4MOT coil runs with 64 aerovox snubber capacitor (2uF 1kVDC), but I really don't like these long strings of capacitors which are not really avaiable here.
I looked after cheap and avaiable capacitors, and found these bigger snubbers, which are ideal for TCs, and you don't need a half ton of them.
I don't have money to burn 40$ capacitors, but I do want to buy some for my 2MOT coil. Right now it runs on homemade PP plate/silicone oil filled cap.
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kiat
Sat Dec 05 2015, 04:12PM
kiat Registered Member #2115 Joined: Fri May 08 2009, 01:17PM
Location: Singapore
Posts: 46
I know those guys

They do have specs
Link2

Do doorknobs have a nominal reactive current "limit"? What are typical DF's for eg. N4700 at tesla coil frequencies?
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