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rajheman
Wed Sept 16 2015, 02:27AM
rajheman Registered Member #54872 Joined: Fri Apr 17 2015, 06:33AM
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Thanks for the response guys :).
Ya I know safety is first . the image which I mentioned here is just for the working principal of magnetizer.
Dear sir 2spoons I want to make this magnetizer to make a neodymium magnet of 8inch dia * 3 inches height disk .
My question is does my input power of 4kv 75m amps from 2 MOTs is sufficient to charge capacitor bang to get 18000 j energy ??
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dexter
Wed Sept 16 2015, 05:46AM
dexter Registered Member #42796 Joined: Mon Jan 13 2014, 06:34PM
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rajheman wrote ...

My question is does my input power of 4kv 75m amps from 2 MOTs is sufficient to charge capacitor bang to get 18000 j energy ??

what do you mean by sufficient?
a better question is in how much time do you want the cap bank to be charged?
and from that a charging current can be calculated
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2Spoons
Wed Sept 16 2015, 06:57AM
2Spoons Registered Member #2939 Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 04:25AM
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Ok, you got me hooked (damn you!). I had a quick play with femm - if you surround your "magnet" with a steel mag head ( ie no air gaps) and put the coil around the periphery of the "magnet" I get a figure of roughly 200000 A.T to generate the 30kOe field needed. Thats about 15000J in the coil. The coil was modelled as single turn of solid copper 0.5 inches thick and 3 inches high, with an ID of 9 inches. It ends up dissipating 500kW. The real coil will need multiple turns to drop the current to something feasible, and slow the pulse down to allow field penetration of such a large piece of neo.

So... scary, but doable, though I have no idea how you plan on separating your finished magnet from your magnetising head.
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rajheman
Mon Nov 30 2015, 05:32PM
rajheman Registered Member #54872 Joined: Fri Apr 17 2015, 06:33AM
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hi guys after a long time ...i got free time to work on this magnetizer, toady i got two mots from local electronic shop cost 19$ each ..
on googling i got same piratical project on 24k joule capacitor bank discharge using open-air thyratron system by cevyn
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his work is well matching to my work to make my magnetizer .
but i have one doubt in charging system.how to monitor the power while charging the capacitor bank . because the out put from two mots is above 4KV ..my multi meter reads only upto 600 volts .
i want to monitor power while charging the capacitor bank ..any ideas please help
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klugesmith
Mon Nov 30 2015, 08:29PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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rajheman wrote ...
...how to monitor the power ... because the output from two mots is above 4KV ..my multi meter reads only upto 600 volts ... any ideas please help
It's alarming that you are working with lethal electricity before you understand how voltmeter scales are determined.

STFI and read about how voltmeters work. Learn how you can make one for any desired full-scale reading, or adapt yours to read higher voltages. For a topic so basic and universal, "search the Internet" does not mean "ask on a forum". Unless you want to demonstrate laziness on top of ignorance.

Please come back after you have measured the AC output voltage of a MOT and lived to tell about it.

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DerAlbi
Mon Nov 30 2015, 10:45PM
DerAlbi Registered Member #2906 Joined: Sun Jun 06 2010, 02:20AM
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hmmmh.
klugesmith.. i was more concerned about the fact that he wants to measure "power" while charging the capacitor bank with a "volt"-meter...
but your rant also delivers the right message wink
thx for doing the job, i didnt want to be the negative guy again.. i guess i fear to become known for that. hmmmmmmh
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Signification
Tue Dec 01 2015, 03:37AM
Signification Registered Member #54278 Joined: Sat Jan 17 2015, 04:42AM
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...gives me a scary feeling...
MOT's in series rectified and filtered...use NST('s)!! especially for only 75mA.

OK;
I would use the FWB,
AND be sure not to use 1/4 Watt resistors--they can go like a "bomb" due to insufficient voltage rating.
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