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High Voltage Swithching by Mosfet.

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Electra
Sun Jul 19 2015, 09:54PM
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What's also going to affect your switching times is the output capacitance of your mosfets in respect to your load impedance. If you have e.g 100pf combined drain gate/ drain source capacitance, and your load resistance is 1 Meg ohm, you'll have a low pass filter! With a cut off of 1.591 kHZ.

You could do something along the lines of a class 'E' amp and tune out the device's self capacitance by making it part of a resonant circuit. Then you'll be fixed to just one frequency. But when you start working things out at those sort of voltage levels. The sizes and values of the components may be unfeasible anyhow.
Or make a half bridge out of two stacks, so high and low side, and accept the energy loss in switching. Smaller lower current fets will have less capacitance.

Have you tried finding 1700v parts. may save a few stages as opposed to 1000v ones?

As Ash has said, Tubes do have very low output capacitance, so are able to operate at RF frequency's with kilovolts. But I'm guessing that option is not what your looking for.

Had a tiring day today so hope I've not made any incorrect assumptions.
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Patrick
Mon Jul 20 2015, 03:42AM
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maybe tansformers with each end having attached a diode string. ill have to draw a diagram.
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johnf
Mon Jul 20 2015, 07:44PM
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I have used tubes ie 4-125A's to fast switch 10kV
And I have used Belkhe fast mosfet switches Link2 to switch into a capacitive load of 1200pf I had to put series resistors in to protect the switches from over current, 200 ohm in this case to safely switch from + 15kV to ground then -9kV then back to ground. My calculations showed around 10 amps flowing for around 200 nanoseconds Switching time around 0.25 us with steady state (no ringing left) after 2uS. To get minimal ringing I had to make my own 200 ohm coax to match the source impedance from the switches to the capacitive load



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johnf
Mon Jul 20 2015, 09:48PM
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Heres the pic
1437428918 230 FT172154 Dscn1335
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Patrick
Wed Jul 22 2015, 01:41AM
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Its been a long time since ive used tubes, and not really similar to this application.

im wondering if its possible to have a negative transformer, then a posistive transformer both attached to the element i need energized. then isolate them with diodes.
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johnf
Wed Jul 22 2015, 07:31PM
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What is a positive transformer??
Have the laws of physics changed??
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Ash Small
Wed Jul 22 2015, 08:51PM
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johnf wrote ...

What is a positive transformer??
Have the laws of physics changed??

Maybe DC flybacks?....they can be configured to give positive or negative outputs.

Also, there are push-pull pulse transformers which use MetGlas cores which give a pulse, then then go through some 'normalising' phase before the next pulse, like this one (I'd need to re-read it to give a better explanation): Link2

I'm still unsure of what Patrick actually meant, though wink
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Patrick
Thu Jul 23 2015, 02:42AM
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yes the lower side of the secondary would be attached to ground, then the two outputs would be anti-phased. its pretty common in USPS's, no special Higgs-boson's needed.

im trying to think of some clever way to prevent one flyback coil/diode for killing its counter part.


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Ash Small
Thu Jul 23 2015, 09:37AM
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So can you give us some more info as to what you're actually trying to do, Patrick?

The more info we have........... wink
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Patrick
Thu Jul 23 2015, 07:01PM
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well, i suppose, since i cant patent it.

im trying to get air to move from an undulating + then - field. if properly phased id like to see if it works or not. it would have to be primed with corona of course.
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