Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 30
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
Linas (34)
Toasty (29)


Next birthdays
05/15 Linas (34)
05/15 Toasty (29)
05/16 kg7bz (68)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: General Chatting
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Nuclear deterrent

Move Thread LAN_403
Conundrum
Wed Apr 29 2015, 08:16AM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
Posts: 4059
Hi all.

I may have made a significant discovery in that 239Pu and 235U are in fact metastable and can be rendered essentially inert from orbit due to internal nucleus structure having a vulnerability to incident coherent neutrino radiation.

The device wouldn't be much larger than a conventional satellite but any nuclear weapon with these elements would be rendered permanently unusable until the core (precision cast, hard to replicate) and tamper are both replaced.
There doesen't seem to be a limit on distance as the beam could scan down to a depth of 4 miles (complete overkill) in ocean and further still on land.

The added advantage of this device is that it could scan anywhere under its orbit and only elements with the correct nuclear structure are affected so 241Am and light medical isotopes would be fine.

It could be used as a deterrent, while being programmed to only activate when a given region is threatened as it would have negative effects on nuclear power plants such as a sudden drop in reactivity when the beam is incident.

Any ideas? Obviously publishing the schematics would be the next step..

-A
Back to top
Wolfram
Wed Apr 29 2015, 09:36AM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
Location: Norway
Posts: 971
What physics is this based upon and how did you make the discovery? Extraordinary claims warrant extraordinary evidence.
Back to top
hen918
Wed Apr 29 2015, 05:02PM
hen918 Registered Member #11591 Joined: Wed Mar 20 2013, 08:20PM
Location: UK
Posts: 556
what will the beam be made of, and how will it inertify (stabilise?) Plutonium and Uranium?
Back to top
Patrick
Wed Apr 29 2015, 05:30PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
I want my precious nuclear weapons. For duck hunting.

Besides your advocating for the disabling of a deterrent. Which might provoke first use while its still possible.
Back to top
Conundrum
Wed Apr 29 2015, 08:10PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
Posts: 4059
The idea is based on the observation that neutrinos seem to affect radioactive half life at least in certain isotopes used in nuclear medicine.
If this is indeed the case then a neutrino laser beam (if such a thing is possible) would affect very heavy atoms with large cross sectional areas much more than light ones causing an internal shift in nucleon structure leading to a multiple atomic number decrease in mass with the emission of alpha particles.

If there is enough gallium present (IIRC 3-5%) then there is a chance of a stable superheavy element forming with Z=122 as Ga (31)+Pu (94) with the previously mentioned induced alpha decay mode.
Here the reaction would be Z94+Z31 = Z125, single alpha emitted Z2 would yield Z=123 which would emit 1 neutron after about 300us to yield stable Z=122 with some minor nuclear shell reorganization.

A possible indirect reaction would be Z94+Z31 = Z125, double alpha emission would give Z=121 which would then convert a neutron into a proton to again yield stable Z122.
The latter might be more thermodynamically favorable and would be aneutronic with only high energy gammas given off.

Its possible at least theoretically, the catch is needing a neutrino laser.
This at the moment is the sticking point as we have no idea how to make one without something like a confined artificial singularity.
Perhaps if certain theories about quantum gravity are correct then there is a way to emit coherent neutrino beams from a specific nuclear transition within an existing metastable isotope ie 180Ta or 99Mo.
Or a wakefield accelerator could also do the trick, here the awkward part would be generating the terawatt class laser beam needed in something relatively compact and powering the laser and chirped pulse amplifiers.

Back to top
Patrick
Wed Apr 29 2015, 08:36PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
that neutrino science is real sketchy at the moment, we just know so little.
Back to top
dexter
Wed Apr 29 2015, 09:14PM
dexter Registered Member #42796 Joined: Mon Jan 13 2014, 06:34PM
Location:
Posts: 195
whenever a wild idea comes to light run it through this first
Link2
and if it still holds proceed to take credit...

also this is Asimov;e w beam (if i remember the name correctly) but with a reverse effect
Back to top
Wolfram
Thu Apr 30 2015, 08:50AM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
Location: Norway
Posts: 971
Conundrum wrote ...

The idea is based on the observation that neutrinos seem to affect radioactive half life at least in certain isotopes used in nuclear medicine.
If this is indeed the case then a neutrino laser beam (if such a thing is possible) would affect very heavy atoms with large cross sectional areas much more than light ones causing an internal shift in nucleon structure leading to a multiple atomic number decrease in mass with the emission of alpha particles.

If there is enough gallium present (IIRC 3-5%) then there is a chance of a stable superheavy element forming with Z=122 as Ga (31)+Pu (94) with the previously mentioned induced alpha decay mode.
Here the reaction would be Z94+Z31 = Z125, single alpha emitted Z2 would yield Z=123 which would emit 1 neutron after about 300us to yield stable Z=122 with some minor nuclear shell reorganization.

A possible indirect reaction would be Z94+Z31 = Z125, double alpha emission would give Z=121 which would then convert a neutron into a proton to again yield stable Z122.
The latter might be more thermodynamically favorable and would be aneutronic with only high energy gammas given off.

Its possible at least theoretically, the catch is needing a neutrino laser.
This at the moment is the sticking point as we have no idea how to make one without something like a confined artificial singularity.
Perhaps if certain theories about quantum gravity are correct then there is a way to emit coherent neutrino beams from a specific nuclear transition within an existing metastable isotope ie 180Ta or 99Mo.
Or a wakefield accelerator could also do the trick, here the awkward part would be generating the terawatt class laser beam needed in something relatively compact and powering the laser and chirped pulse amplifiers.



The observation that neutrinos affect radioactive decay has more evidence against it than in favor of it. Link2 It's generally not a good sign when an effect disappears when the experiment is done with better control of outside factors. Even if the effect was real, it is so miniscule that it wouldn't do any practical difference to the 24000 year half life of Pu-239.

Neutrino lasers are science fiction.

The proposed reaction has no basis in accepted nuclear physics, alpha decay is very different from fusion. There's a lot more to nuclear physics than just adding atomic numbers toghether.

This is mostly pseudoscience. Please keep in mind that this is a science forum, and pseudoscience is not accepted here.
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.