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Andy

Wed Apr 22 2015, 11:44PM

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They say that carbon doxide even methane raises the tempture of earth based on specfic heat values, but the thing they dont understand is that the atomsphere could be made of feon and methane and 1000C but as soon as you add the earth into the picture the energy rebalaces to the input energy ie the sun, and ends up as the tempture at present, the only thing, they should add is themro conductive, but it works both ways, meaning it heats up and the difference between a more hot side and a cooler cold side as more energy transfer, but it also cools down quicker.
Etherway the world is changing like normal politicaly based on scince.
CO2 as a higher refrative index so makes better use of the energy, but a higher tempture also transfers more energy, so even if all the energy of the sun got obsobered wouldnt change anything as the heatsink aka space vaccum has more surface area than anything on earth cic wise and it is rather large based on vaccum still has matter in it.

Sorry just a rant.

Carbon_Rod

Thu Apr 23 2015, 07:52AM

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Indeed, rhetoric and ad hominem narratives often pass as common sense these days:

Please start here:

You can see Mythbusters for a simplified 180 year old proof of the physics:

The suns interaction with the complex planetary physics model may be improperly presented for the general public to fully understand. Of the suns energy that reaches earth, less than around 3% of the total is retained over time... But a slight change is a serious problem for humans.

Uspring

Thu Apr 23 2015, 09:43AM

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You're right about thermal conductivity working both ways. The greenhouse effect operates differnetly, though. The suns incoming radiation is converted into much longer wavelength thermal radiation on the ground. That radiation is blocked on its way outward by greenhouse gases, mostly water vapor but also CO2 and methane. Greenhouse gases don't have much effect on the incoming shorter wavelength sun radiation.
In difference to thermal conductivity, this effect is asymmetric, i.e. it blocks energy transfer outward but not inward. Actually inward and outward energy flux are pretty much equal, but the greenhouse effect requires a somewhat higher ground temperature for this equilibrium to be reached.

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Thu Apr 23 2015, 11:36AM

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Incoming light is in the 12000K range, thermal coming off the ground is in the 300K range.

Maybe you should research the topic more?

Andy

Thu Apr 23 2015, 03:08PM

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I thought CO2 and methane were because there specfic heat was lower, about twice for carbon dioxide than normal atomsphere, so if 1-4kJ of energy per metric cube then CO2 cube would be at double the tempture, as long as energy in keeped pace with energy out, based on both cube at the same density and a magical container, mainly to stop the gas float off, but not effecting the energy transfer, so if air is 20C CO2, should be 40C.

That the point I was trying to argue, not so much the part that turns the suns input into energy at what rate.

The energy from the sun based on wiki is about 1kJ at ground level take one cube meter of
Air = 1.01
CO2 = 0.844
SO2 = 0.64kJ kg K/C

So after 20 seconds air is at roughtly 20C from zero C, CO2 is 23.69C and sulpher doxide is 31.05C but the energy in the system is still 20kJ, but
Air = 0.024 W/m.K
CO2 = 0.0146
SO2 = 0.0086
The difference in ratio between air and SO2 is 20/31 = 0.64 sph and 2.79(0.35 matched weight), it would take twice as long for the SO2 to radiate the energy my meaning is the next step after 40sec the tempture would even out at 40C double that of air,
The sun then dispears in the third step, night time, and in another 20Sec both air and SO2 equal zero C at the same time.

Hope that makes sense

Dr. Slack

Thu Apr 23 2015, 03:57PM

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I can't see any good coming of this thread, and suggest the mods lock it, before it descends into left versus right, and oil interests versus tree-huggers dick-swinging at each other. Even the OP described it as a rant. There's too much politics in the issue, and not yet enough science to be convincing.

Andy

Thu Apr 23 2015, 04:03PM

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Its about scince what I want descuission about

Wolfram

Thu Apr 23 2015, 04:22PM

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There hasn't been much science so far, and it will only go downhill from here I'm sure. I completely agree with Dr. Slack, and I'll lock the thread before it gets really bad.

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