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Conundrum

Tue Mar 31 2015, 06:31AM

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People may laugh, but Orch-OR has just been validated as "highly likely" to be correct.
The recent discovery that pulsed trans cranial ultrasound in Alzheimer's patients seems to
improve symptoms suggests that our understanding of the brain needs substantial revision.

The possibility exists that a simple system of high enough component density *might* be
able to exhibit quantum coherence even at room temperature, as metamaterials have been
theorized to do.
Perhaps it would be worthwhile testing an energized sub 10nm computer chip with a magnetic
field sensor to see if under some combinations of clock and data patterns it exhibits strange
magnetic field spikes?

Would be worth an experiment or 2.
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Tue Mar 31 2015, 09:46AM

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My sentiment to this is quite well captured by a comment in the discussion following the article:

"How does invoking quantum mechanics, mechanics being the operative word, allow more for free will than any other mechanics? It either follows a certain law, or itâ€™s random. Neither provides for more free will than other mechanistic systems. We see quantum processes in plants, widely regarded as non-conscious (I know, I know, not everyone will agree). Going from â€œwe found quantum coherenceâ€ to â€œthere is a proto-consciousness that we tap intoâ€ is nothing more than wild speculation and wishful thinking. Even worse, the theory doesnâ€™t advance our understanding at all, it simply defers it for later. If this is the origin of consciousness, what is it doing? How do vibrations in MTs lead to consciousness? It may be that the brain uses quantum processes in itâ€™s function, but adding all this metaphysics is quite simply bad science."

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Tue Mar 31 2015, 05:24PM

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Quantum mechanics are not exactly deterministic, or really understood at the fundamental level, also probably wrong in the current form.

It will be quite something if it's proven they play a part in the brain workings.

Conundrum

Tue Mar 31 2015, 06:21PM

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They already detected quantum vibrations in microtubules, also evidence that plants use quantum principles to increase the efficiency of photosynthesis.
A lot of everyday science uses quantum physics notably laser diodes and Pb based car batteries so its not *that* much of a stretch of imagination for the brain to use them.

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Wed Apr 01 2015, 10:33AM

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Daedronus wrote:

Quantum mechanics are not exactly deterministic, or really understood at the fundamental level, also probably wrong in the current form.

There is no experiment known, where the predictions of quantum mechanics fail. That, of course doesn't imply, that there never will be any such experiments. But even in this case, there will remain a large domain of its validity. Think, e.g. of classical Newtonian mechanics. It is wrong in some way, since it doesn't work in the microscopic domain, where it needs to be corrected by quantum effects. It also fails at relativistic speeds. Still it is tremendously accurate and useful in everyday applications, e.g., when designing a car, a roller coaster or describing planetary motion. The concept of wrong or right doesn't apply here. It's about being more or less accurate.

Daedronus

Thu Apr 02 2015, 10:06AM

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The simple fact that Newtonian mechanics, quantum mechanics and general relativity are accurate only on a set of problems means they are wrong and do not really describe our universe.
They are just that, approximations, useful tools for certain problems? sure, but only that.

And, again, quantum mechanics are not deterministic, you can't know the outcome from a set of starting parameters.
If the brain turns out o be a quantum computer that's pretty much the ultimate free will giver as far as I'm concerned.

Conundrum

Wed Apr 08 2015, 07:16AM

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Does this mean the plot of "Mercury Rising" is actually feasible? (g)

If hypothetically a human brain with the right structure can actually break RSA-x where x is a very large number then could this be a workaround for malware which encrypts files?

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