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Patrick
Wed Mar 18 2015, 11:26PM Print
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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so whow do submarine or other high pressure bearings work? they have to rotate a shaft and support it, yet not flood the torpedo, ship or submarine at 1600 feet deep.

how do they do this?

i dont see how these work, or if there evev the right thing to look at.

1426721661 2431 FT0 Sub 4 Kyoo Bearing 38
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klugesmith
Thu Mar 19 2015, 12:31AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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By analogy with the crankshaft of an engine:

The load-bearing bearings smile don't have to touch water, and can be actively oiled.
The water seal doesn't have to support a mechanical load except water pressure. (and can probably tolerate some leakage).



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Patrick
Thu Mar 19 2015, 01:09AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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ok Avi suggested the "quad seals" which i had never heard of. one hold force the other fluid, but i still trying to figure it out for my purposes.
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Carbon_Rod
Thu Mar 19 2015, 01:48AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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Most use grease filled channeled bushings for a stuffing box, and hydraulic oil filled atmosphere.

Good thruster seals are often unnecessary if the drive is packed in vacuum degassed oil already.
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Patrick
Thu Mar 19 2015, 04:37AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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ok then ill use fiberglass filled with something... im puzzled on the geometry though.
These are some pretty detailed pics, but they show the front bearing, with the one sealed face. Im getting between 0.8 and 1.2 horsepower, depending on tuning.


1426741769 2431 FT1630 A



1426741769 2431 FT1630 B



1426741769 2431 FT1630 C



1426741769 2431 FT1630 D



1426741769 2431 FT1630 F



1426741769 2431 FT1630 G



1426741769 2431 FT1630 Open1




1426742396 2431 FT1630 E
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hen918
Thu Mar 19 2015, 06:25PM
hen918 Registered Member #11591 Joined: Wed Mar 20 2013, 08:20PM
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look up "rotary lip seal". The water pressure forces the lip onto the shaft, the greater the water pressure, the better the seal. Grease is usually trapped in the void on the other side of the lip to help keep it lubricated.
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Thu Mar 19 2015, 07:28PM
... Registered Member #56 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:02AM
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You can use these things Link2 altough I believe that you still would need to provide a water seal (either a traditional shaft seal, or a magnetically coupled feedthrough)
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