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Conundrum
Fri Feb 13 2015, 05:58AM
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You would think that an FPGA would be able to duplicate the "Valve sound"â„¢

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Sulaiman
Fri Feb 13 2015, 11:01AM
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or maybe just a diode in series with a resistor,
across the voltage feedback resistor of a normal amplifier ?
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Ash Small
Fri Feb 13 2015, 11:06AM
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Conundrum wrote ...

You would think that an FPGA would be able to duplicate the "Valve sound"â„¢



There is actually a setting on my phone which is supposed to replicate the sound of a valve amp
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Shrad
Fri Feb 13 2015, 11:45AM
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that's not the distortion which plays a role here...

audiophiles are discussing the dynamic characteristics of the transfer curves, which are contextual...

"inertia" will vary according to electron flow and heat, which means the sound will feel different from one kind of music to another, as well as some parts of the frequency response, which is why ancient guitar amps on a model sometimes sound fantastic in some hands while a new one from the same model can be totally flat... it has a nonlinear evolution ^^
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Ash Small
Fri Feb 13 2015, 12:36PM
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Even order harmonics play a role too. I guess it depends on whether you consider them 'lost' or 'eliminated' with push-pull.
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Dr. Slack
Fri Feb 13 2015, 01:38PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Even order harmonics play a role too. I guess it depends on whether you consider them 'lost' or 'eliminated' with push-pull.

They are reduced, given that perfect matching between the sides never happens. And the loudspeaker puts them all back in again and then some.
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Ash Small
Fri Feb 13 2015, 05:37PM
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Dr. Slack wrote ...

Ash Small wrote ...

Even order harmonics play a role too. I guess it depends on whether you consider them 'lost' or 'eliminated' with push-pull.

They are reduced, given that perfect matching between the sides never happens. And the loudspeaker puts them all back in again and then some.

There seems to be some concensus on the 'audiophile' sites that the best reproduction using single ended requires a horn rather than a conventional speaker, but I'm no expert, it's just what kept cropping up when I was researching the subject.
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Sulaiman
Fri Feb 13 2015, 06:24PM
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If you ever have the chance to design your new house, built-in horn speakers are great.
i.e. horn speakers for base notes are a civil construction project cheesey

When designing my last pair of speakers I listened to some high-end mid-high horns
(compression driver)
the only thing I didn't like was the price !
(so I went for silk domes instead)

horns can also be incredibly efficient compared to cones,
which helps relatively lower power class-A valve amplifiers.

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Ash Small
Sat Feb 14 2015, 12:32AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Sulaiman wrote ...


horns can also be incredibly efficient compared to cones,
which helps relatively lower power class-A valve amplifiers.



Yep, a friend of mine has a pair of 30's horns salvaged from an old theatre, they sound fine in his flat, not too bassy, and he reckons his amp draws less than one watt (It's the 'Mighty Atom' amp I posted here around a year ago).

I think I can say with reasonable confidence that it's the best setup I've ever heard in somebody's flat.

Edit: If you're the other side of the pond, for 'flat' read 'apartment'....It's a 'tube/valve' thing

EDIT 2: Incidentally, push-pull will have less distortion at the same power level than a single ended amp 'THROUGH THE SAME OUTPUT TRANSFORMER'. A single ended amp needs a bigger OT for the same power, or it needs to be operated in conjunction with a large choke (gapped, 50-100 Henries, and at least 100mA) in a 'parafeed' setup.

EDIT 3: This is the 'real' advantage of 'push-pull', as far as my present understanding goes...
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