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Andy
Fri Feb 21 2014, 02:34AM Print
Andy Registered Member #4266 Joined: Fri Dec 16 2011, 03:15AM
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Hi all
I'm in the process of design a still to purify acetone, so far it will be able to handle 100L. I plan on raising the temperature to 60C, looking up specific heat etc with 25% acetone the rest water, I get 22080Kj, or about 15kwh(Is this correct)?
On the nichrome wire wiki page it says at 204C about 1amp, shrink down I'm looking at 0.5amps +- 0.25amp.

To build this thing would have it wired to 240volt or should I use mutliable 12v/12amp transformers.

Any things I've missed.

Thanks
Andy
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2Spoons
Fri Feb 21 2014, 04:39AM
2Spoons Registered Member #2939 Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 04:25AM
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If it were me I'd simply buy a ready made immersion heater, such as a jug heater. Already sealed and electrically insulated, with nice convenient connections, pre-defined power output, cheap, easily replaced. That's what I used on my alcohol still. If you are doing power and /or temperature control make sure you use a solid-state controller- no sparky contacts!

Regarding the nichrome wiki :
Applying only to straight wires stretched horizontally in free air.
This is a very important point, as you want to heat 100l of acetone/water - not air. Also you can not expect the current vs temp to be even remotely linear.
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Andy
Fri Feb 21 2014, 05:28AM
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Thanks for the idea 2Spoons.

I'm checking out immersion heaters .Would a bank of infrared lamp work?
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Billybobjoe
Sat Feb 22 2014, 03:39AM
Billybobjoe Registered Member #396 Joined: Wed Apr 19 2006, 12:55AM
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I have one of these Link2 immersion heaters and it is excellent. You may want to look for something similar (Vycor/quartz). Good for high purity applications and easy to clean.
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Andy
Sat Feb 22 2014, 05:39AM
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Yeah I think it will be the way to go, emailed a company that deals in immersion heaters, and see if they would have a option that will fit.

Cheers, for the help
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Bored Chemist
Sat Feb 22 2014, 03:20PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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If you were in the business of designing stills, you wouldn't be asking here.
If you are not in that field and you build one, you may struggle to get insurance for using it.
Buy (or rent) a proper still.

Incidentally, the heat needed to get the solvent to 60C isn't the only criterion. You need data on heats of evaporation etc.

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Andy
Sun Feb 23 2014, 12:59AM
Andy Registered Member #4266 Joined: Fri Dec 16 2011, 03:15AM
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Hi Bored Chemist

I do have engineering qualification, but I'm still getting someone to construct it, and design some specs. Thanks for the tip about insurance, I will ask when I apply.
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Andy
Sat Mar 29 2014, 04:26AM
Andy Registered Member #4266 Joined: Fri Dec 16 2011, 03:15AM
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Just wondering what a stove top element ohms are, if I was going to use this to heat oil bath, with the water container in the oil how:
Is the resistance of nickel-chrome based on the wire and the series resistors, or just the series resistors.

Thanks


If you were in the business of designing stills, you wouldn't be asking here.
If you are not in that field and you build one, you may struggle to get insurance for using it.
Buy (or rent) a proper still.

1396069097 4266 FT1630 P1000358

It can only handle 4 litres and cost $300, I'm type of after 40Litres per 3 hours, and they would proable cost grands$


Edit
I've got these values for 40litres, if accurate
SFC 4.19kj/kg/k
T 110C
L 40

KJ = 18436

Heat of evaporation 2260kj/kg

kj = 90400

kwh = 30
@ 2kw 15 hours
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Ash Small
Sat Mar 29 2014, 05:03PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Hot water tank with immersion heater?

I'm not sure what safety measures would be required though, so don't take my word for it without doing your homework, but you should be able to use standard copper plumbing fittings, etc.
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Andy
Sun Mar 30 2014, 07:51AM
Andy Registered Member #4266 Joined: Fri Dec 16 2011, 03:15AM
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Sorry Ash Small, I'll be useing coal/wood, it works out cheap for the power outputed, $30 electricity for 40litres to $5 wood
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