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Bjørn
Thu Sept 07 2006, 06:49PM Print
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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The bulb has been blackening for some time and almost all of the energy output is in infrared, in the end the protective glass got so hot that it cracked. The large piece of glass was still in the air when I turned around to see what was going on so it must have jumped quite high, it landed almost exactly where it was launched from.

1157654952 27 FT0 Lampe
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robert
Thu Sept 07 2006, 07:14PM
robert Registered Member #188 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 05:18PM
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That happened with a 300w halogen lamp.
The Lamp actually was rated for 500w but the 500w lamps burn out far too quickly so i used 300w which last much longer and run cooler.

Hot glass was found at the other end of the room, over 5m away and burned various plastic objects.
Luckily i was in another room at the time this happened, looking for new batteries for the camera.
1157656470 188 FT15822 Lamp Fail
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Avalanche
Thu Sept 07 2006, 07:54PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
Location: Derby, UK
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Wow, that top lamp is one of those small halogens? suprised I have just, literally the other day replaced one of those in my desklamp which also faces upwards like that and was also going black. Any idea why it goes black? The other halogen bulbs I replaced at the same time still looked like new, it was just that one that was black!

Here's 2 of the bulbs I replaced, both have had about the same usage. I was puzzled by the black one, but I think I'm glad I replaced it!



(If you're wondering why I replaced working bulbs, I was downgrading to 10 watt-ers)
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Electroholic
Fri Sept 08 2006, 12:49AM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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maybe the black one doesnt' has enough/as much halogen?

One thing tho, does anyone know Y there are two flat piece of metal in the base of the bulb?
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Nik
Fri Sept 08 2006, 02:04AM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I read some where that those halogen lamps cause mroe fires then any other lamp you can buy. I love the spotlight kind (rectangle ones) for working outdoors at night but I wont use them in the house.
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AndrewM
Fri Sept 08 2006, 03:15AM
AndrewM Registered Member #49 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:05AM
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Careful, or your speakers might shatter too cheesey




hopefully i won't be the only one who remembers that.
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Bjørn
Fri Sept 08 2006, 04:53AM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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wrote ...
One thing tho, does anyone know Y there are two flat piece of metal in the base of the bulb?
They are molybdenum foils that are used to make a perfect gass tight seal with the quartz.
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Steve Conner
Fri Sept 08 2006, 11:57AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
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I think they go black if they're not running hot enough for the halogen cycle to work. (either through too low voltage or too much cooling)
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Richy
Fri Sept 08 2006, 07:12PM
Richy Registered Member #121 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 12:39PM
Location: Bromley, UK
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Could it be that the bulbs have been contaminated by greasy fingers? I'm always told and read not to touch them with bare hands as the grease (or something) reacts with the glass which could make it go black, I suppose the glass could be weakened and or the black absorbs a lot more heat.
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Billybobjoe
Fri Sept 08 2006, 08:31PM
Billybobjoe Registered Member #396 Joined: Wed Apr 19 2006, 12:55AM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Ha I have that EXACT same lamp Bjorn!! I'd better be careful.

I agree with Stove Cenner (when did that change?) in that its probably not hot enough for the actual halogens to do their job - maybe the voltage in your area is lower than spec?
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