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If you where able to make your own Transformer what would it look like?

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Chris Cristini
Tue Oct 01 2013, 09:44PM
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What a beautiful and useful thread. smile And I like your design simple and too the point with no need to spend hours in solid works. As the pressing goes I was thinking about using my 10 ton bottle jack and building a simple Mild steel jig for it all maybe I should design that in Solid works too. Also I don't know much about the microwave sintering process but I will experiment. EDIT: there is a lot of information on YouTube that supports the Microwave sintering process. And how about just taking a bunch of ferrite cores that are already made and grind them then re sinter?
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Thomas W
Tue Oct 01 2013, 10:02PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

which will allow me to half the number of turns.

Why half the number of turns when you can double the voltage! amazed
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Ash Small
Wed Oct 02 2013, 12:05AM
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__=|(:3)-|--{__ wrote ...

Ash Small wrote ...

which will allow me to half the number of turns.

Why half the number of turns when you can double the voltage! amazed


It's to do with reducing the leakage inductance and stray capacitance, so you can run it at a higher frequency, and therefore 'transform' more power. shades
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Chris Cristini
Wed Oct 02 2013, 08:51PM
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It is starting to look like one of those small photo copier LOPT's.

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Sulaiman
Wed Oct 02 2013, 11:07PM
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A square centre limb is more efficient due to winding space, leakage flux etc.
hexagonal better, circular best.
so the outside limbs are 1/2 a square.

P.S. it is better if you avoid winding directly over an airgap,
(fringing flux, eddy currents, heating etc.)
(plus fringing flux x current in wire = Fleming's left-hand rule = vibration)
e.g. two 1/2 length bobbins are easier to wind and avoid the airgap.


Nice drawings.
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Chris Cristini
Thu Oct 03 2013, 12:41AM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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Thank you Sulaiman I had allot of practice When I was designing Infrared Black top equipment. I even designed a new rear end suspension that I welded together and it worked great Until I had to scrap the truck.

I will make up some other Transformer designs and maybe have a vote for the first one I build in real life once I get the stuff together and experiment with core material.

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I think it would be cool to mix red iron oxide to make the core red?

Does the circuit board look correct?
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Chris Cristini
Tue Oct 08 2013, 01:49PM
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Here is a new E core does not look like much but it is larger than a MOT.

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I might add oil cooling to this as well.

I just experimented with a Microwave and put a good sized Ferrite TV yoke core and with in 5 Seconds it started getting very hot. Microwave sintering might be the best way all though it might be harmful to the magnetron.
Here is a list of useful YouTube videos on Powder Metallurgy.
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Chris Cristini
Sat Jan 30 2016, 06:07AM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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Wow I forgot how interesting this thread is to read No better time than now to try all of this stuff I am going to push this to the top of my list of projects and design some more you can delete that new thread I started if you want I am going to do more research and gather the parts for a Sintering furnace and maybe regrind ferrites until I have 5 or 10 pounds of powder :) It is sad I have had so many times in my life I had to give up all my projects I could not imagine where I would be if I kept all of my stuff.
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Sulaiman
Sat Jan 30 2016, 10:46AM
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Just had a thought,
you could make the core from a single continuous 'I' core in the middle of the coil former and longer than the former
and 1,2,3 or 4 'C' shaped pieces around the outside.
This may be easier to make and there would be no gap inside the coils.

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On a separate note,
LARGE ferrite rods would be purchased by vlf/ulf radio experimenters. e.g. 1" dia x 12" long

I'm not sure if grinding is the best way to get powdered ferrite,
a disposable super-blender or a ball mill may be better due to oxidation problems... just guessing

I'd be tempted to write to fair-rite and other manufacturers to see if they can help with your experiments.
even floor-sweepings would be a good start, 1kg of their finest mix would be negligible cost to them
in return for a write up here.
For sure if you don't ask you won't get, and you may get technical help too, worth a try ?
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Chris Cristini
Sat Jan 30 2016, 03:41PM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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Sulaiman wrote ...

Just had a thought,
you could make the core from a single continuous 'I' core in the middle of the coil former and longer than the former
and 1,2,3 or 4 'C' shaped pieces around the outside.
This may be easier to make and there would be no gap inside the coils.

[|]

On a separate note,
LARGE ferrite rods would be purchased by vlf/ulf radio experimenters. e.g. 1" dia x 12" long

I'm not sure if grinding is the best way to get powdered ferrite,
a disposable super-blender or a ball mill may be better due to oxidation problems... just guessing

I'd be tempted to write to fair-rite and other manufacturers to see if they can help with your experiments.
even floor-sweepings would be a good start, 1kg of their finest mix would be negligible cost to them
in return for a write up here.
For sure if you don't ask you won't get, and you may get technical help too, worth a try ?



That is a good and interesting idea and looking at the ferrite rods on eBay the price isn't too bad what about making it look like a long LOPT Core? [___]

And reaching out to manufactures with experience in this is a great idea too thank you I think that with a little hard work and experimenting with different mixes and temperatures will lead to something great and with all of the equipment i have access to now should make this more feasible for me to do.

Also milling ferrite is a great to because I could have control of feed rate and not just destroying it from end mills grabbing to much and just snapping the brittle material I didn't think of that great stuff. I am sure the powder from that would be a great mess to clean smile


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